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  •  Jack K - safest, really?? (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't believe that for a second. When the federal government puts its spotlight on you with an intensive manhunt, bad things can happen.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Fri Jun 21, 2013 at 10:09:36 PM PDT

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    •  He has Protection. (0+ / 0-)

      It's to China's great diplomatic benefit not to let him get hurt.  His datadump gave them some unexpected bennies immediately before a major summit with Obama, and Hong Kong's extradition treaty with the US frankly prohibits releasing "criminals" whose offenses are political or who face inhuman treatment in the country making the demand.  After the facts in the Bradley Manning case leaked, there's no doubt in anybody's mind that "leakers" returned to America will face psychological if not physical torture, and the latter is by no means impossible.  So extraditing him is against Hong Kong law and Chinese interests.  He's a propaganda plum.
         

      •  I don't agree (1+ / 0-)
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        The press has reported that the Snowden indictment took so long because of consultation with Hong Kong authorities to make certain the charges were within the scope of treaties between Hong Kong and the US. They are also reporting that both the Hong Kong and Chinese authorities will assist in apprehending Snowden and facilitating his return to the US. While Snowden may have been a propaganda plum for the Chinese, I don't think they have any further interest in him.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 09:37:43 AM PDT

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        •  My source is BBC: (0+ / 0-)

          (LINKIE).  You can read and judge for yourself.  My own take is that official US sources are going to pretend that they have things under control as much as possible; they wouldn't want to admit that the Chinese might give them the finger.  Both sides might prefer if he remains MIA and unofficially lost.

          Also, remember that even the smokescreens are smokescreens.  It might be deemed politically advisable for the US to PRETEND to be hunting for him and the Chinese to PRETEND to be protecting him, when the US doesn't really want the public exposure of a civilian trial (not nearly as easy to control as Manning's court-martial) and the Chinese really don't want to offend the US but can't be SEEN to buckle under.  All things are possible.

          It's even possible that the Obama administration PERMITTED the recent spate of links because the POTUS actually does want to correct the abuses of National Security, but couldn't do it in the face of Republican intransigence (and fear of prosecution of Dick Cheney and other war criminals) without a PR bomb.

          •  I don't think the DoJ or the Obama administration (0+ / 0-)

            has any fear of a trial for Snowden. They can claim national security and keep out all the information they don't want in the public domain. The case against Snowden will be very simple. The actions he disclosed are legal so he has no whistleblower protections and he signed a very strict confidentiality agreement that included the potential criminal penalties for breach. Whether they can convict him of espionage may be problematic, but they can put him in prison for a long time for violating his confidentiality agreement.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 12:18:32 PM PDT

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