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  •  My fingers are crossed that the Martin family (8+ / 0-)

    get some justice, My gut feeling says GZ will get convicted.

    •  I so hope your gut feeling is spot on as I cannot (7+ / 0-)

      even nor will I watch this trial. When I try to, nausea and nervousness takes over. My sister is visiting and feels the same way.  My sister teaches in a high school where more than half her students are African American.  She sees her students when she looks at Trayvon.  She thinks of her students when she hears about Trayvon.

      I am very worried if Zimmerman is found not guilty, I worry about what message this will send. I am tied up in knots over this.

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      by wishingwell on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 09:39:12 AM PDT

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      •  the message it'll send is that the system works. (0+ / 0-)

        the prosecution doesn't even have anything close to proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

        •  we'll see about that in about a month Johnny! (2+ / 0-)

          watch this space:)

        •  Proof of what, exactly? (4+ / 0-)

          That Zimmerman killed Martin with his handy dandy gun? Defense has so stipulated, Zimmerman has never denied it.

          That Zimmerman had convinced himself that Martin was up to no good? Stipulated. That he followed Martin despite dispatch's strong advice against it? That his excuse for disregarding the advice was that he thought Martin might "get away?" They've got the whole tape and transcript of the actual call.

          Zimmerman's entire hope for some kind of defense against the charge of second degree murder is to claim he was so terrified of the teenager that he feared for his very life. Even though he was the one with a loaded gun, and Martin was armed only with skittles and tea.

          It would probably have been a waste of the court's time to go with these experts, due to the questionable methodology. The defense could spend a week foisting oppositional 'experts'. The facts alone provide a significant degree of doubt that the person begging for his life was the killer, and not the victim. The defense has to get around that, and experts who testify the voice is NOT Zimmerman would devastate their only defense.

          The facts are the facts, the question is whether or not Zimmerman's lawyer can convince a jury that he had good enough reason to fear for his life that it justified the homicide. Don't forget the defense waived a SYG hearing that would have gotten him off scott free right then and there. Obviously his lawyer(s) recognize it's going to be a hard sell to an actual judge. They're banking on an impressionable jury.

          The prosecution doesn't have to prove that Zimmerman killed Martin. They have to prove he did it unnecessarily and with a degree of situational malice (aforethought is murder-one, not murder-two). Proof of Zimmerman's justification for killing the kid is and was always going to be a hard sell. To any jury that's not bought.

        •  Sorry I disagree Johnny, I feel it sends a message (2+ / 0-)
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          that if you see a kid in your neighborhood, particularly a minority, who does not appear to belong can follow him, try to get him to stop, play cop and shoot the kid if he resists or tries to run away.

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          by wishingwell on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 01:43:32 PM PDT

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        •  You know this -- how? (0+ / 0-)


          Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

          by Dogs are fuzzy on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 03:08:55 PM PDT

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      •  If he is found innocent there is still the (1+ / 0-)
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        possibility of a civil trial, and possibility of a civil rights charge, though that seems unlikely.

    •  I hope you're right, the worst part will be the (2+ / 0-)
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      defense trying to blame/prosecute the victim and his family having to endure this.

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