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  •  Good evening joe and to everyone.. (10+ / 0-)

    I'm just catching up on the Snowden news. I hope he is given political asylum in Russia or wherever. I've really been rooting for him...

    I was always into economic issues, a little social issues but I didn't pay much attention to foreign policy. I've now been reading on foreign policy since the Snowden ordeal. I read we purposely baited the Soviets into Afghanistan in the late 1970's hoping they would invade?  I was 14 or 15 when that happened, and I don't remember any of that in the media.

    I just want the U.S. to lead the world in human rights, but lead by example. Not by lecture, but example. Also, I wish we would realize that some things we've done contributed to the problems we have.

    As a member of Courtesy Kos, I am dedicated to civility and respect for all kossacks, regardless of their opinions, affiliations, or cliques.

    by joedemocrat on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 05:17:20 PM PDT

    •  evening joe d... (4+ / 0-)

      yes, the afghan war of the reagan years was definitely part of our cold war maneuverings. the soviets got involved in afghanistan and we armed the mujahedin (that we would later fight as the taliban and al-qaeda) that ronald reagan called, "freedom fighters."  so, yes we baited the soviets and we armed the population that they were trying to suppress in order to drain their blood and treasure.  in the end, though, we are still dealing with the blowback of one of ronnie's (cooked up in the neocon think tank labs) "neat ideas."  it has cost us dearly in blood and treasure.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 05:27:36 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks. I just saw this.. (5+ / 0-)

        This Trans-Pacific partnership free trade agreement is now at risk due to Snowden?  I think that trade agreement is another NAFTA correct that would cause the U.S. to lose jobs?  And France is now open to asylum. Not sure what it all means, just starting to read.

        Diary here

        As a member of Courtesy Kos, I am dedicated to civility and respect for all kossacks, regardless of their opinions, affiliations, or cliques.

        by joedemocrat on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 05:51:50 PM PDT

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        •  joe the tpp is considered "nafta on steroids" (5+ / 0-)

          here's a quick and easy introduction.

          nafta caused a loss of an estimated 7-800,000 american jobs and around 1.3 million mexican jobs, particularly in the mexican agriculture sector which was decimated by cheap american industrial corn.  this not only caused economic dislocations and suffering, it also exacerbated our immigration problems.  nafta is also an environmental disaster as corporations are allowed to sue communities that don't care to be disaster zones not only for lost costs but also for anticipated profits.  tpp will continue that tradition in all likelihood.

          happy reading!

          i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

          by joe shikspack on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:02:34 PM PDT

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    •  An underappreciated fact, (6+ / 0-)

      which the big new Afghanistan Analysts Network Transitional Justice report highlights:

      The time just before the Soviet invasion was the bloodiest of them all. With mass killings by the secret police. No time to be a religious leader in Afghanistan. Or, conversely, to be an urban intellectual.

      A relevance to today: the U.S. now plans a secret police state for Afghanistan. And two of our current favored northern warlords were secret police at the bloodiest time. They had switched from communist to mujahideen, when the Soviets came in and their faction was out.

      The report says Afghans just call the current secret police by the old name, KHAD. Same old thing. And even same old guys.

      •  perhaps one way of putting it... (4+ / 0-)

        is that killing afghans may be the best paying career in afghanistan once the americans leave and the business graft gets scarcer.

        i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

        by joe shikspack on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:07:02 PM PDT

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        •  Progress (1+ / 0-)
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          Kabul property boom confounds fears about Afghanistan's security
          Afghan capital's skyline transformed by luxury high-rise buildings as new rich prepare to weather Nato's withdrawal
          ...

          The Barakzai family clearly have powerful connections. Among the vehicles in the basement car park are those of a deputy provincial governor and a senior intelligence official, both among the new tenants of the 32 apartments.

          Their luxury armoured SUVs are a subtle boast of Barakzai's impressive neighbours, but may also hold a clue to one prop for the Kabul property boom as western cash dries up and an escalation of violence looms.

          Headline: "Property boom confounds fears about Afghanistan's security." Text: secret police guy has got a nice new apartment. They don't match.

          Emma Graham-Harrison, for the Guardian, from Kabul, really honest,

          may also hold a clue
          speaks in clues. It's like some underground messaging system, where she hides the real information in a story about the bright-light wedding halls.

          And the need to speak in hints comes even from the newspaper telling us all about the NSA.

          It's very odd.

          The danger of reporting honestly from Afghanistan would be a part of it.

          But she can call a powerful Barakzai a powerful Barakzai. Yet pulls punches about the U.S.

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