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    Victor Ward, Nattiq, nailbender, blueoasis

    1.  Expanded Pell grants and now wants to link student loans to market rates, which when rates return from historic lows to normal levels will be much higher than government subsidized rates. And what he did by eliminating the loan middle man was a savings to government, but not to students/parents.

    2.  Wall Street reform?  You've got to be kidding.  It still runs the show and does what it wants.  Few teeth in the bill, loads of loopholes and where are those prosecutions?

    3.  Obama's been ok on climate change and the XL pipeline will be a big test for him.  And as dallasdunlap implies with his comment about Nixon below, Obama has done nothing equivalent to setting up the EPA.

    4.  Obamacare has yet to show it's value.  We'll see how many people get covered and whether premium growth slows over the long-term and whether those with pre-existing conditions, while being able to get insurance, can actually afford the premiums they will be charged.  And let's not forget that the cake went to private insurers who now have a much larger market to rip off.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 06:07:32 AM PDT

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    •  Well where do I begin (4+ / 0-)

      First of all, President Nixon might have created the EPA, but President Obama's raising of fuel efficiency standards represents These fuel standards represent the single most important step we’ve ever taken to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

      Secondly, The Wilderness Preservation Act  sets aside more than 2 million acres in nine states as protected wilderness — from California's Sierra Nevada mountains to the Jefferson National Forest in Virginia. The biggest this nation has seen in a generation.

      Third, the President has created the Ocean Health Index, the Index charts new territory, and for the first time ever sets up a world standard for gauging ocean health.  

      Obama Care

      Obama care has not yet kicked in and already it is paying great benefits in terms of allowing more people to gain access to healthcare that were never able to as well as young people gaining access to health through their parents insurance plan than were able to before. The plan is also providing community clinic care to millions of individuals. Obama Care has also strengthened Medicare.

      Again, when it comes to Obama being a DINO, I have to ask the question: When will the real Democrats standup? This is a ridiculous argument, that despite my attempt, shouldn't even be addressed seriously.

      •  The ocean health index is a direct response to the (0+ / 0-)

        regulatory failure that was the BP mega-disaster.  Bragging about that is bragging that you've not closed the barn door but put up a security camera, now that the horses are out.  Given the O admin's record on following through, an Ocean Health Index is about as promising as is his newfound resolve to have a national discussion about warantless surveillance.  Show me the money, iow.

        Yes, obamacare is better than nothing.   How grateful we are for that.  All the non-nothing we've achieved the last 5 years!!!

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

        by nailbender on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 09:41:42 AM PDT

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        •  What is your argument, exactly? Because the (2+ / 0-)
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          President created a vehicle to protect the environment following an event like the BP oil spill, your contention is  IT DOESN'T COUNT!

          Do you know how many bills or remedies were created to solve a problem after a tragedy occured?

          Are you kidding me? This just says you are really trying to fit the facts of the President's record into your very small argument that the President is a "DINO" or a failure or whatever it is you are trying to promote, but your argument is very weak if all you can say to the many accomplishments of this President is that his accomplishments "weren't good enough!"

          Not good enough based on what? Which other President has done as much? Crickets, crickets....

          I do like this last argument though; it is quite exemplary of your type of rhetoric....

          After indicating that the President has formulated a worldwide index to keep the world's oceans safe, your response was???

          Oh, that doesn't count because he only did it after the BP oil spill!!!

          Have you passed any of these laws yourself? Has any candidate or politician that approve of pass anything close??? I won’t hold my breath for your answer…

          Until you can show me, who has done more than President Barack Obama on these issues, this discussion is useless.

          Simply priceless....

          •  BP was a regulatory failure for Obama. (1+ / 0-)
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            On all counts, as were the coal mining disasters on his watch.  Sorry to use an analogy, which seems to be beyond your ability to grok.

            "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

            by nailbender on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 10:53:38 AM PDT

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      •  So at best, based on the four points I addressed, (0+ / 0-)

        he's batting something less than 500.  When the two misses have to do with the backbone of the economy and the burden of student loans, batting 500 is not that impressive, especially considering what you and then I didn't address - for example, entitlements, which Obama seems determined to cut.  He's really more like an old fashioned moderate Republican than a Democrat.

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 11:50:29 AM PDT

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