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  •  Bob Dole. (0+ / 0-)

    Back when there were still Dems worthy of the name.

    See his recent dissing of the current gop, if you want to get a perspective of how the entire political spectrum has shifted to the right since the Centrists have taken  over the party.

    the point, which you're avoiding, is that the current GOP is an animal made possible by the drastic shift to the right that the DLC/Turd Way movement (hey, that has a little cache', no?) has enabled.  It's not like wasn't explicit aready on this point.

    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

    by nailbender on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 10:57:50 AM PDT

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    •  (smiling) you've gone back in time for Bob Dole, (0+ / 0-)

      but he does not agree with this "Republican" plan, as it is called. He is only in favor of the bill because of the bill's importance and once in a lifetime nature. Here is a quote from Dole:

      This is one of the most important measures members of Congress will vote on in their lifetimes, If we don’t do it this year I don’t know when we’re gonna do it.
      http://www.therightperspective.org/...

      There was a time when Republicans would pass legislation, not because such legislation was a Republican legislation, but because they believed that, even though they may disagree with the bill, it was worth passing because of its historic nature.

      There were Republicans who helped to pass Medicare and Medicaid, it doesn't mean they were in favor of these legislations as Republicans, but they felt it historic and important, and perhaps urgent.

      Bob Dole is expressing this sentiment here:

      I don’t agree with everything Obama is presenting, but we’ve got to do something, I want this to pass.
      But I'll give you much credit for going back in the past and finding at least one Republican who would have been bipartisan enough to pass a historic bill.

      Actually, even up until Clinton, Republicans have been willing to cross the aisle for a historic bill such as the Affordable Care Act, but once Obama became President, bye-bye crossing the aisle on anything.

      But back to our discussion, unfortunately, Dole goes against your point that the bill is a "Republican Bill". His argument is primarily one of passing the bill out of historic reasons.

      •  He championed it in opposition to Hillarycare. (0+ / 0-)

        Obamacare resembles the GOP counter to the Clintons back in '93 almost as much as Romneycare (which was modeled after it) does.

        I'll cut and paste my own quote now:

        the point, which you're avoiding, is that the current GOP is an animal made possible by the drastic shift to the right that the DLC/Turd Way movement (hey, that has a little cache', no?) has enabled.  It's not like (I) wasn't explicit aready on this point.
        I'll continue the discussion further if you address that, my main point.

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

        by nailbender on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 05:36:35 PM PDT

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        •  I'll disagree with that point on this basis. The (0+ / 0-)

          current GOP drastically shifted to the Right just when President Obama took office. The amount of fillibusters we have seen under this President has never been seen to such a degree during any other Democratic administration.

          We have to remember that this is a Party that had its members meet on the day the President was being sworn in to plot to do anything to obstruct him, before the President passed one single bill. So I would say your point here:

          the current GOP is an animal made possible by the drastic shift to the right that the DLC/Turd Way movement (hey, that has a little cache', no?) has enabled.
          Is not exactly born out by the fact, in that, they were blocking the guy even before he made any type of shift whatsoever.

          I have a strong belief that when Barack Obama leaves office the GOP will cease being as obstructionist as they currently are.

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