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  •  Did you just compare Assange to King (2+ / 0-)
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    and Gandhi?

    I normally don't feel like engaging in these kind of threads but I needed to say something about this comment. Both King and Gandhi went to prison because they stood by their convictions and put themselves at the unfair justice system's mercy to prove a point. Assange (and Snowden for that matter) didn't have the courage to do that.

    I suppose it's slightly better than comparing Assange to Christ. Though Assange acts like he has the bigger cross.

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 06:09:44 AM PDT

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    •  Assange is a foreigner. He would end up somewhere (11+ / 0-)

      other than a regular jail.

      In the 1960s and before that, people could disappear for a time. There were places to run.

      We don't have that now. We don't have regular jails, we don't have privacy at all, not even with our lawyers and we have secret tribunals and sekret judges and Torture chambers in other countries as well as in the Gitmo.

      Besides, the people are different now.

      Thousands would support King and Ghandi, directly, and march with them.

      Now it's all online. Even if thousands wanted to support Assange or Snowden, or Manning, we are dealing with No Fly Lists, constant surveillance, and geographical isolation that is disguised by internet noise of virtual supporters.

    •  So only MLK and Ghandi-level people (7+ / 0-)

      get off the hook, while everyone else is to be judged on their personality, not actions? One has to go to jail to have weird hair and an opinion? Got it.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 07:33:15 AM PDT

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      •  only a child (1+ / 0-)
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        can say
        "the emperor has no clothes"

        and then the child will be sent to school

      •  To have an opinion? No. (0+ / 0-)

        Anyone can have that. But to be compared favorably to Gandhi and King? You have to do a little more than leak documents and blow town.

        For the record Expatjourno is absolutely right that Gandhi and King would have been severely critical of the Obama Administration had they been alive now. They were both agitators against an unfair system and insisted upon big rather than incremental change. And I think they were right to do that. But I don't see them ever calling Obama the Chickenshit in chief. Just sayin'.

        Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

        by Matt Z on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 08:51:03 AM PDT

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      •  Huh? Let Assange and Snowden face the charges (1+ / 0-)
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        against them.  If they don't, then they don't have the courage of MLK or Gandhi or Ellsberg.  

        I admit that Assange's charges are of a different nature than the ones against MLK, Gandhi, Ellsberg, and Snowden.  The charges against MLK, Gandhi, and Ellsberg are charges that they can arguably and/or legitimately be proud of; the charges against Assange, not so much.  Assange is more like just a common criminal, accused of an ignoble crime, on the run from the law.

    •  No. (0+ / 0-)

      Obama is the Chickenshit-in-Chief for failing to stand up to Republicans on all their phony scandals, from the "beer summit," to Van Jones, "death panels," Shirley Sherrod, contraception, Benghazi, and the IRS.

      by expatjourno on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 09:51:04 AM PDT

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