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  •  Assange is a publisher, not a reporter or (0+ / 0-)

    investigator. He's the New York Times and as such should have protection and immunity for publishing any true information he's sent.
    Snowden is more like Manning.
    And like Manning, right or wrong, he broke a lot of serious laws to do what he did. Unlike Manning, he ran, specifically ran to China, considered our biggest rival (and now to Moscow, our ex-biggest rival), bad move, self-incrimination.
    If either of these guys had had the brains to do it they should have covered their tracks better (or at least, dug up some dirt on the people who would prosecute them).
    And yes, there's a bunch of ego going on here in all three of them.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 06:34:40 AM PDT

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    •  I thnk snowden has an idea to keep himself (10+ / 0-)

      out of being tortured and disappearing.

      Stunned he's not on a no-fly list.

      Will be unsurprised to find he's globe hopping and sending out false trails.

      He knows what is waiting for him if he gets caught.

      I also imagine if he does get caught he has more good stuff waiting to drop.

      •  That may be (1+ / 0-)
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        but the way he's going about this seems like he's setting himself up for martyrdom.
        China to Russia to Cuba to Venezuela or Ecuador sounds like an itinerary designed to p!ss off the maximum number of people (including his only supporter in Congress, Rand Paul).
        If he transships to the Middle East, he's drone-bait.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 07:33:55 AM PDT

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        •  Few choices. (6+ / 0-)

          Where else is there to go that some wont whine about this or that, wholly off the point?

          Where can he go? Canada? Wisconsin?

          Africa?

          He's drone bait anyway.

          That's why he's going to move around. Its the safe house routine, a BASIC part of keeping oneself alive when one is a constant target or acquisition or assassination.

          This issue is like a rorchach that tells one a lot about those who support or do not support this guy.

          Those who are aggressively not supporting him, who are so focused on everything but what he has leaked - its interesting to say the least.

          I care about what he leaked and I wish him well and hope he can remain free, but I imagine his run will be short because of the global surveillance in place.

          •  What he "leaked" is old news (2+ / 0-)
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            If you didn't know that NSA was hoovering up every bit of information that travels by wire or airwave since 2002, you missed a big chunk of history.
            Some of us have been fighting this since it was called Total Information Awareness when Ashcroft was pushing it. We thought we'd killed it twice already and of course we were wrong. Don't assume that I support PRISM or TIA because I have problems with how Snowden handled it, remember, he was one of the spooks in the first place.
            The way he did it, the trouble he caused himself and everyone around him is the issue, the content, well, I knew, you probably knew, most anyone that's paid attention for the past few years knew, the feigned surprise, the "Shocked, shocked" reaction seems either naive or phony.
            In any event, he's losing his staunchest supporter, Rand Paul.
            And it's that support, his libertarian bona fides that made me suspect his motives from the drop. His timing is excellent to help defeat Democrats in next year's election.

            If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

            by CwV on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 09:16:32 AM PDT

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            •  Well then, I guess he didn't harm the U.S. (6+ / 0-)
              As Snowden evaded an attempt on Sunday by Washington to have him arrested in Hong Kong, General Alexander told ABC's This Week: "This is an individual who is not acting, in my opinion, with noble intent ... What Snowden has revealed has caused irreversible and significant damage to our country and to our allies."

              http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

              Tempest in a teapot. Old news. Why bother to charge him with espionage if his revelations are old news?

              Obama is the Chickenshit-in-Chief for failing to stand up to Republicans on all their phony scandals, from the "beer summit," to Van Jones, "death panels," Shirley Sherrod, contraception, Benghazi, and the IRS.

              by expatjourno on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 10:00:37 AM PDT

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              •  right (3+ / 0-)
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                what's all the fuss about, then, if it's all old hat?

                Thanks to the internet, bullshit now travels at the speed of light.

                by nota bene on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 10:04:52 AM PDT

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              •  Not what I'm saying. (1+ / 0-)
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                duhban

                What he did was illegal, how he handled it was clumsy and how he's acted since then is doing him and his supporters no favors.
                Again, just because I am not having the vapors over this spying doesn't mean that I think it's OK.

                If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

                by CwV on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 10:07:31 AM PDT

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                •  But it's not like he blew up the economy... (4+ / 0-)

                  ...or tortured anyone. Surely if it's old news, we should look forward and not engage in a backward-looking search for retribution for something much less significant than what the banksters and torturers did.

                  Obama is the Chickenshit-in-Chief for failing to stand up to Republicans on all their phony scandals, from the "beer summit," to Van Jones, "death panels," Shirley Sherrod, contraception, Benghazi, and the IRS.

                  by expatjourno on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 10:16:42 AM PDT

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                  •  Thank you Mr Greenwald (0+ / 0-)

                    I mean expatjourno.
                    Just because someone else did worse things doesn't let him off the hook.
                    BTW, if you believe what your sig line says, why do you bother to come to dKos, a site that is strongly supportive of Obama? Just to stir sh!t?

                    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

                    by CwV on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 11:35:31 AM PDT

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    •  Prove it: (3+ / 0-)
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      And yes, there's a bunch of ego going on here in all three of them.
      What is your evidence?

      Obama is the Chickenshit-in-Chief for failing to stand up to Republicans on all their phony scandals, from the "beer summit," to Van Jones, "death panels," Shirley Sherrod, contraception, Benghazi, and the IRS.

      by expatjourno on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 09:56:21 AM PDT

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