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  •  Funny (0+ / 0-)

    So the near daily Israeli military overflights of Lebanon, the occasional strike mission at targets in Syria, and Netenyahu claiming for over a decade they were just few years (now a few monthg) away from a bomb and should be attacked aren't enough for you?

    Do you not know about the recent history of Lebanon ('50s to present) and how deeply Israel has been involved? Propping up right-wing fascist governments (Bashir: He was a Christian, a warlord, the head of the Phalange, a bit of a Franco-type fascist, and briefly the President of Lebanon in 1982.), occupation (1982-2000), and the continuation to try to keep right wing militia leaders like Samir Ja'ja' in power.

    The majority of the people in the countries know full well that a fear mongering, non-factual statement by Bibi (or his fellow neocons in the U.S. like Bolton) means massive economic turmoil on their lives.

    •  You're getting a bit far afield (0+ / 0-)

      from the original point.

      Whether it's enough for me isn't the point. Whether it's enough for the players involved is.

      Syria is in civil war right now. Tens of thousands of people are dying. The government is employing chemical weapons against its own people. Intervening by support of those NOT using the chemical weapons != war.

      We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

      by raptavio on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 07:20:31 PM PDT

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      •  Really (0+ / 0-)

        First, the whole claim of 'chemical weapons' is weak at best.

        Second, why is this the sole criteria for who is a goody and who is a baddy?

        Chopping people's heads off because they happen to not be Sunni enough is okay with you?

        Killing a 14 year old because he didn't provide the proper respect for Muhammad?

        Intervening is war. You either have a solid justification or you don't.

        Don't excuse our illegal war-like behavior just because it fits some political goal. Either we have a rational, defensible policy on Syria or we don't. Right now, we don't.

        •  Weak at best? (0+ / 0-)

          Hold on a second there, mickT. You'll need to start by explaining that.

          The claim was made, thoroughly investigated with a level of caution that pissed off a great many people screaming for aid to the rebels. Calling that 'weak' requires more than a perfunctory contradictory statement. You need to support that.

          We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

          by raptavio on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 07:40:57 PM PDT

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            •  So (0+ / 0-)

              the principal complaint is a lack of transparency due to the nature of the only means by which three nations can collect the evidence, and the exceptionally rigorous standard by which the UN will accept said evidence?

              And that, to you, is 'weak at best?'

              Hm.

              We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

              by raptavio on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 08:32:21 PM PDT

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              •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                Why not demand that a red line is cutting the head off someone?

                The discussion is not about Syria using chemical weapons like was used in WWI. Or nuclear weapons like we used in Japan. The argument here is Syria might have used weapons in a small scale against a specific target.

                And all of a sudden I'm to get all hot and bothered while at the same time ignoring the Islamic extremists that have the same thinking as Al Qaeda?

                No not ignoring, funding people that we know the arms will wind up in their hands. Just like arms for Libya 'freedom' wound up in Mali.

                •  All right. (0+ / 0-)

                  Let's say, for the sake of argument, everything you're saying is fact.

                  What should we do?

                  We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                  by raptavio on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 08:49:54 PM PDT

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                  •  If we want 'Peace' (0+ / 0-)

                    Peace means getting all sides together and openly presenting a future.

                    Right now, we have Saudi Arabia pushing us against Iran. How one country with no sense of democracy or human rights can do that, pisses me off. Because the only answer is pure greed.

                    For Syria, we have to have EVERY country in the region involved. We can't pretend Saudi and Qatar funding and arming Syrian extremists is not 'involvement' while demanding Iran and Hizballah not be involved. No one takes us serious.

                    Sunni extremists blew up another car bomb in Damascus today and killed a 14 year old.

                    You think the Syrians want this as the future of their nation? And our silence when these terrorists attacks happen speaks volume of our level of hatred of 'terrorism'.

                    My reality is of the people, not of the lying politicians. Did you see Jon Stewart on barnamag al barnamag? A Jewish kid from the U.S. gets a standing ovation in Egypt. Why? Because him and and Basam Yousef both are fighting the stupid government. The same stupid press.

                    Basam Yousef had a very funny song making fun of the fact that Qatar can mean both 'nation' and the nation of Qatar. Everyone knows how much Qatar spent to put Mursi in power.

                    What you ask, I could go on for quite some time, but no one gives a damn. In the end, as long as oil and natural gas are being sucked up and shipped, the State Dept feels it has done its job in promoting U.S. interests in the region. A few bloggers aren't going to change it.

          •  If you want (0+ / 0-)

            I can post the videos of the Sunni extremists beheading various people.

            It's gruesome, so it never makes the major news, but I can back that up with actual proof. Unlike 'he's as evil as Saddam and used chemical weapons, but unlike then, we really care, and we won't wait 15 years to give damn because it fit U.S political interests.'

            •  I'm well aware (0+ / 0-)

              of how violent the conflicts are in that area of the world.

              We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

              by raptavio on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 08:28:30 PM PDT

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