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  •  Humans are animals, we are all in the same boat (8+ / 0-)

    Corporations are neither animal nor human, they are artificial creations of the capitalist system, they are designed to be psychopathic, to them nothing is more important than profit.

    The best solution is to restrain capitalism until it is so weak and small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. (hat tip to Grover Norquist)

    Carbon di-oxide in the atmosphere is now 400ppm. That is a "Climate Cluster Chaos" of the worst order if there ever was one. (hat tip to JeffW for CCC)

    by Zinman on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 08:13:37 PM PDT

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    •  Capitalism, practically speaking, is the (0+ / 0-)

      accumulation of current assets for future use. Constituting this accumulation in terms of money is much more efficient than storing the material assets produced and not immediately used. The alternative would be to let surplus produce go to waste -- to let grapes rot instead of letting bacteria turn them into wine.
      Accumulation is not the problem. The problem is hoarding -- the failure to put the accumulant to further use. In the case of money, that means not spending it for other useful transactions. And, by that definition, the speculative trading on Wall Street which has no benefit for producers and users is a kind of hoarding. Playing with dollars is just as worthless as putting them in a vault.
      But the real problem we have is that the source of the symbols representing our real assets, the Congress, has fallen into the habit of pretending that this figment of the imagination is scarce, that Congress can't spend for necessary goods and services because the dollars aren't flowing back into the Treasury.
      Congressmen claim they don't know how to make the hoarders let go. This is a half truth. Since our revenue system is set to collect money as it moves, once the dollars end up in the hoarder's cache, it is difficult to get them out. Which is why a transaction tax, which would be levied on dollars as they are passed around, regardless of whether any real goods and services are involved, would make sense. But, just collecting revenue to keep up the current of the currency would frustrate the Congress' desire to control what goods and services are actually purchased and by whom. Managing the currency would be no fun, if it couldn't be used to reward and punish the citizenry. If they can't reward and punish, how can they demonstrate their power?

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 02:13:01 AM PDT

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    •  Wisdom From The Greatest (2+ / 0-)
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      Munchkn, Zinman

      We may not all agree on paragraphs 3 and 4, regardless of the fact they are true.  But what does our abject cruelty say about the human species in regards to the first 2 paragraphs?  Nobody should ever feel comfortable killing another creature for food, but do we really need to treat something as harmless as a chicken so cruelly just for it's eggs?  A hog arguably is every bit as smart (or even more so) than our pet dogs, but the pig is in the oven and our dogs get medical treatment that would be the envy of a quarter of the world's population.  So sad... I'm glad to know the universe wouldn't so much as blink at the extinction of our species.

      The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated.

      I hold that the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man.

      I feel that spiritual progress does demand at some stage that we should cease to kill our fellow creatures for the satisfaction of our bodily wants.

      I do not regard flesh-food as necessary for us at any stage and under any clime in which it is possible for human beings ordinarily to live. I hold flesh-food to be unsuited to our species.

      Mahatma Gandhi

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