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  •  Umm...isn't it the job of the NSA to spy on people (4+ / 0-)
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    around the world?  To spy on the spies, as it were?  And potential hostile elements?

    And yeah.  It's still none of our business.  And Snowden isn't being charged with spying, but the unauthorized release of classified information.  You know, what we wanted Cheney charged with.

    Yeah, I went there, because this is becoming theater.  On both sides.

    The release of the information about the size and scope of the US data collection operation by the NSA should be talked about--although there has not been any hard evidence of active monitoring of ordinary Americans.  Just a discussion of whether or not they have the ABILITY.

    But then there are the operations in foreign countries.  That's not cool.  Because that could seriously compromise not only diplomatic relations, but also have deep economic consequences.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 06:00:35 PM PDT

    •  You're comparing this to V. Flame? (6+ / 0-)

      Which served no public benefit but was done for petty revenge?

      Just lost serious street cred there.

      Add the median effective tax rate, healthcare costs (20%?), education costs, and other things guaranteed in Denmark & Sweden, we pay MORE for LESS. Somebody's gotta pay the billionaires. They don't grow on trees. ☮ ♥ ☺

      by Words In Action on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 06:14:27 PM PDT

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      •  It's not the motive, it's the action. (2+ / 0-)
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        In this case, it's the release of the operations against foreign countries.

        "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

        by zenbassoon on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 06:23:16 PM PDT

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        •  pfffttttt. (6+ / 0-)

          It's the service to the general welfare. That's why people love Ellsberg.

          Plame is a bad analogy. Period.

          Add the median effective tax rate, healthcare costs (20%?), education costs, and other things guaranteed in Denmark & Sweden, we pay MORE for LESS. Somebody's gotta pay the billionaires. They don't grow on trees. ☮ ♥ ☺

          by Words In Action on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 06:33:12 PM PDT

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          •  Daniel Ellsberg is my hero. He stands behind (8+ / 0-)

            Snowden and Sibel Edmunds. How soon we forget the reason the AG put such a big gag order on her entire life (can't even send her a birthday card- her d/o/b was retro-actively classified, she said). The reason was that she translated some e-mails that were supposed to be stuck in the queue and instead she, being a very good citizen, blew the whistle about things that had to do with 9/11, drug trafficking, Dennis Hastert and a suitcase full of cash...there used to be some very good coverage here of the kind of secrets our government is actually keeping while we are distracted by the terrible thought that ceiling cat is not the only one watching us masturbate.

            We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

            by nuclear winter solstice on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 06:50:29 PM PDT

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          •  But he had the guts to stand trial. (2+ / 0-)
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            And if the prosecution hadn't bungled, he would have served a 10 year sentence.

            "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

            by zenbassoon on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 07:09:18 PM PDT

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            •  Therefore Plame's an appropriate analogy? (3+ / 0-)
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              Ellsberg's standing is based on his willingness to stand trial?

              Given recent history on the handling of whistleblowers, I really don't begrudge Snowden's distrust of American justice on these matters.

              Wonder how Ellsberg would have decided had he good reason to believe he would be railroaded.

              Add the median effective tax rate, healthcare costs (20%?), education costs, and other things guaranteed in Denmark & Sweden, we pay MORE for LESS. Somebody's gotta pay the billionaires. They don't grow on trees. ☮ ♥ ☺

              by Words In Action on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 08:20:03 PM PDT

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        •  I don't get why people can't separate the two. (0+ / 0-)

          You can kill someone for the best of reasons but the target is still deader than the proverbial doornail. But that's not where we are around here. We're now touting Huffpo sourced stories as word, no further thought needed.

          Ah, well. Back to my cave.

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