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  •  The Chinese drained the US government laptops (3+ / 0-)
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    which were full of classified information.

    They weren't left in his hotel room because he was in a hurry and he forgot them.

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    by zenbassoon on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 08:20:52 PM PDT

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    •  They were left in his hotel room? (17+ / 0-)

      Then how are the Russians going to drain them like the diarist suggests?

      What the hell is going on here? People are ignoring the leaked documents in favor of accepting what two dudes believe?


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      by ranger995 on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 08:27:22 PM PDT

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    •  The laptops were full of classified information? (4+ / 0-)
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      Where is the evidence of that?

      •  Reporting by Guardian. (1+ / 0-)
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        'As he pulled a small black suitcase and carried a selection of laptop bags over his shoulders, no one would have paid much attention to Ed Snowden as he arrived at Hong Kong International Airport. But Snowden was not your average tourist or businessman. In all, he was carrying four computers that enabled him to gain access to some of the US government's most highly-classified secrets.'

        •  Where is the evidence they were full of (4+ / 0-)

          anything but hot air?

          Can we deal with what is in evidence or do we just believe in whatever we want to believe?

        •  The money quote (2+ / 0-)
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          four computers that enabled him to gain access
          That means that they themselves don't have the information. They provide access to the information.

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          by splashy on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 10:00:57 PM PDT

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          •  You read too much into that statement (5+ / 0-)
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            First of all, access requires more than just a laptop. So there's no way he can access any classified information from Hong Kong or Russia or even Chicago. He is said to have copied classified documents onto a thumb drive and sneacked it out of a secure facility. There probably isn't any classified documents on any of his laptops. Basic federal security requirements would have prevented that.

            You're probably correct in saying that the laptops don't contain secret documents, but not for the assumptions you made.

            This fool bragged that he could expose all the US secret CIA spies. In Hong Kong! And Putin immediately offered asylum. And Snowden, the complete idiot, went to Moscow.  

            Of course, China and Russia would copy everything he has with him. They're a hell of a lot smarter than Snowden.

            I mean, really. China is a friend of the US? He actually said that. What a fool.

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            by GrumpyOldGeek on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 10:44:58 PM PDT

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            •  If China's not a friend, then why have we shipped (0+ / 0-)

              large parts of both our industrial and tech infrastructure to them?

              Who's given more to China?  Snowden or our own government policies and private corporations?

    •  How do they know that? (16+ / 0-)
      Two Western intelligence experts, who worked for major government spy agencies, said they believed that the Chinese government had managed to drain the contents of the four laptops that Mr. Snowden said he brought to Hong Kong, and that he said were with him during his stay at a Hong Kong hotel.
      Maybe they eavesdropped on Chinese phone conversations, I guess.

      Leaving out the paragraph immediately prior to that sorta slants the story the way the diarist wants, doesn't it?

      Mr. Snowden has denied giving China classified documents and said he had spoken only to journalists. But his public statements, directly and to reporters, have contained intelligence information of great interest to China.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 08:32:31 PM PDT

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    •  Someone saying "they believe" ... (0+ / 0-)

      something happened is NOT evidence that something happened, especially if stating the belief serves only to try to discredit the accused, which is actually the only point of this campaign.

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

      by Neuroptimalian on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 03:29:43 AM PDT

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      •  IT expert here (1+ / 0-)
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        Excuse me, coming through, expert here, I really do know everything about this.

        Now, AHEM, let me explain to you how it works.  If you lose a laptop, I don't mean "know you gave it to a spy" but "oh, I just lost it and don't know where it is," your company if it deals in sensitive data at all has to send an email to EVERY PERSON WHO MIGHT BE IMPACTED by that and get a team of lawyers to do damage control.

        I am the lead consultant (and former manager) on the client team at my Fortune 500 healthcare company.  So I can say this with authority because I helped write the corporate policy.  The assumption that the laptop is compromised is 100% safe.  Once it is out of the care and control of authorized personnel (and I think it is safe to say that Snowden's security clearance is revoked), it is presumed that the information has been stolen.  Your opinion means jack shit.  Damage control now must be done because no one, especially not you, can answer for what happened to that data.  At least, no one who is responsible for that data.

        So, please, stop making up absurd defenses.  Snowden did commit treason and I don't give a shit what his cause is, he put people in danger.  He's a jack-ass.

        •  Oh, so those people were NOT in danger ... (0+ / 0-)

          as a result of NSA snooping before Snowden came along?  I see.

          As to policies requiring notification to anyone who may be impacted by a security breach, sure, we know those exist.  We ALSO know that many companies refuse to provide such notifications until forced to, preferring to remain mum in hopes of avoiding being sued.  

          What does the latter have to do the with NSA or Snowden?  Nothing whatsoever.  I'm 100% the NSA notified NO ONE that their information may have been obtained.

          "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

          by Neuroptimalian on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 09:45:36 AM PDT

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    •  Speculation. (0+ / 0-)

      Go back and read carefully.

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      by koNko on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 03:58:21 AM PDT

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      •  there's no need to speculate (0+ / 0-)

        That any data on those laptops is compromised.  The moment Snowden started whoring them around enough that they appeared in the Guardian story, it's a safe bet that more than one foreign spy has had a field day with that crap.  

        After all, is Snowden vetting the credentials of all the people he's talking to?

        This is NOT a wikileaks kind of situation, IMHO.  I was willing to give Assange the benefit of doubt but Snowden sounds like a little Randian shit-bag with an axe to grind.  Thanks, dude.  You are not helping.

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