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  •  Tipped, although I would have skipped the word (12+ / 0-)

    'Obama'.  The President is transitory, the machinery of state oppression immortal...

    •  I think the point is that the (over)reaction of (12+ / 0-)

      the diarist is directly a function of the fact that its under Obama's administration that the NSA is doing its dirty work - that Obama (you remember, that hope and change guy) is allowing the spying to continue and is complicit in expanding and defending it.  We're talking extreme  cognitive dissonance here which seeks resolution by blaming others.  The question should be where did I (we) go wrong, not who did this to me.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 06:09:40 AM PDT

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    •  Certainly I agree with your main point (10+ / 0-)

      about the growth of the American surveillance state regardless of President or Party, but I think it's germane to specify the "Obama NSA."

      The reaction by many here would have been very different if Snowden had acted identically ten years ago and clarified massive data-mining by the Bush NSA.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 06:25:08 AM PDT

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      •  To recycle what I said before: (3+ / 0-)
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        I have been wrestling with an acronym making the rounds here: ODS. I think there is a better one that applies to this one: TOE - The Obama Effect.

        Issues that would have caused outrage and unity in condemnation on this site have caused a lot of in-fighting. People are desperate to defend the indefensible because Obama is in the White House.

        The thing that seems lost in the arguments is that this is not all about Obama. This shit has been going on for quite some time. But because Obama is in the White House folks on the left are having a hard time facing reality, which as you point out would not happen if W or another Republican was POTUS.

        Maybe the same thing would be happening regardless of who was POTUS as long as they were a Democrat. Regardless, TOE is a driving force amongst those that defend things that are quite obviously not things the left would normally rally behind.

        "The next time everyone will pay for it equally, and there won't be any more Chosen Nations, or any Others. Poor bastards all." ~The Boomer Bible

        by just another vet on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 07:17:34 AM PDT

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        •  Good luck with that. I've been fighting (0+ / 0-)

          mental illness stereotypes around here for years. Usually gets you just another wave of shit for suggesting that someone should change their language.

          I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

          by second gen on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 07:44:39 AM PDT

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