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  •  "Authority-loving kossacks..." (1+ / 0-)
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    I'll go out on a limb and guess you're sleep-typing.

    Yeah, see, the thing about that is....(runs away)

    by Troubadour on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 07:09:24 AM PDT

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    •  The fact is (1+ / 0-)
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      the opposite of libertarian is authoritarian along the libertarianism/authoritarianism axis.

      You're an authoritarian, clearly. No one could spit so much insult at those who value liberty and not be a dedicated believer in the power of authority over the people.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 11:15:54 AM PDT

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      •  Not unless the "authority" in question is reality. (0+ / 0-)

        In which case you must really scientists.

        Assumptions begin with ass and end with shit.

        by Troubadour on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 12:08:00 PM PDT

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        •  Please define (0+ / 0-)

          "real" authority.  In the case of scientists, the authority is through consensus, which should reflect factuality. In other words, scientists don't take a simple vote, with 51% determining what is factual. It comes through years of consensus building, with a large majority in agreement. So, think of what that implies. Authority in science comes through consensus among experts of a given field. But when it comes to application of science in the form of technology, it's another matter, because science is not always ethically applied. A good example is nuclear technology, clean coal technology, fracking technology, etc. So the sciences must be tempered with ethics, and not all ethicists need be scientists.

          A community may find itself in dispute with a scientist who assures everyone that nuclear energy is safe. Or that GMO technology is healthy for the environment. Not all scientists have finely tuned sense of ethics. Not all scientists can see larger patterns of history, or have a sensitivity to the perils of tinkering with nature. Not all scientists have an equal sense of responsibility to do no harm. Some scientists become enamored with their fields, and have a personal interest in seeing their projects implemented. Some scientists are corrupted by monetary gain. Think of oil company scientists, etc.

          Thus, while science may have a certain amount of intrinsic authority, it is the thoughtless application of science that gets us into trouble. Global warming would not exist if not for science, in the form of applied technology.

          Thus, it still comes down to the people themselves to directly determine the course of their lives, and therefore it falls on them to weigh policy, while taking into consideration the authority inherent in science (which simply means knowledge, and knowledge does have inherent authority).

          Thus, there are very few occasions when one person can justifiably assume authority over the rest of a community. It comes down to the community collectively deciding whether to confer authority on another, and the conditions of that authority. And without transparency, the authority of the collective community is blocked.

          This is why secret spying programs, with no true public oversight, is authoritarian, and is a dangerous overstepping of boundaries. And this is why those who support this are clearly exhibiting authoritarian personalities.

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 12:47:54 PM PDT

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      •  *hate scientists (0+ / 0-)

        Assumptions begin with ass and end with shit.

        by Troubadour on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 12:08:14 PM PDT

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