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  •  I wouldn't hold my breath on this (4+ / 0-)

    And I hope the Dems haven't sold themselves short since it's probably doomed in the House.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 03:54:31 PM PDT

    •  Agreed. Time is running out on this one. (3+ / 0-)
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      it should pass the Senate with a big margin.  But then it isn't going to just "go to the House.". That just isn't going to work, not with the crazy caucus.  The House Judiciary Committee has to have a chance to pass a bill or several separate bills, and then they go to conference and the Senate Bill prevails, or something like it, and the House passes it.  That is the theory.  But that can't happen in July.

      Instead, the House members go on recess in August, and they get an earful from their crazy base, whipped up by Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz.  Granted this time they won't have the secret business money behind them, because most businesses with money to spare want immigration reform.  But they will get enough of an earful that they won't let Boehner bring anything to a final vote that the Dems can support.  It will be the Farm Bill all over again.

      Until enough business types with money and ordinary (non-crazy) voters in Republican districts stop backing the crazy caucus, nothing will get done.  But it is just possible that the change might come in 2014 if these folks are fed up enough.

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      by Mimikatz on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 04:09:17 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, between the refusal to expand Medicaid (0+ / 0-)

        and the potential blocking of immigration reform both of which are backed by business, I am hoping the money Republicans finally pull the plug of the Tea Party.

        “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

        by ahumbleopinion on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 04:17:03 PM PDT

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      •  There are very few non-crazy R voters (0+ / 0-)

        nosotros no somos estúpidos

        by a2nite on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 04:17:46 PM PDT

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        •  Actually there are a lot (1+ / 0-)
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          Consistent Republican voters are divided into roughly 2 groups: the "crazies" and the "ignorant". The ignorant being the people that hardly pay any attention to politics, and vote Republican just because "they always did", or "their parents did", or because "they're for small government", without realizing the Republicans are now a far-right whacko party. This group is a lot larger than you might think. However, they usually get defensive when you call out the Republican Party for being so crazy and far right, and continually insist this isn't the case with no evidence to support their claim.

    •  How will it play out? (1+ / 0-)
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      Impossible to say, but let me throw this hypothetical out there:

      Let's say the Senate passes the bill with more than 70 votes.  That puts a great deal of pressure on Boehner to bring the Senate bill to the floor of the House, and he does just that.  The Border Surge Amendment lets just enough Republicans vote for it to pass with solid bipartisan support, including the majority of Democrats.  Boehner gets to say that he is the reasonable one and that he reached across the aisle to bring the bill through with broad bipartisan support.

      Maybe this scenario would lead to an insurrection among the GOP caucus, but that would be his little fire to put out.

      I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use -- Galileo Galilei

      by ccyd on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 04:39:10 PM PDT

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      •  You are assuming that there are (0+ / 0-)

        enough non-crazy Republicans to counter the TeaBaggers.
        You may be right, but I doubt it.
        This also assumes that Boner is half-way competent and that has been proven wrong repeatedly.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 04:50:08 PM PDT

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        •  Hope springs eternal. n/t (0+ / 0-)

          I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use -- Galileo Galilei

          by ccyd on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 05:02:40 AM PDT

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