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  •  This program does generate money FOR people. (1+ / 0-)
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    Albanius

    Every person who uses less than the average amount ends up with a net positive.  They'll pay more based on the fee being carried forward, but they get more than that back.

    This is not a demand for sacrifice. It's a call to compensate people for the damage that's being done. At the same time, it's a disincentive to those causing the damage. The twist is that we are almost all to some degree in that second group.
    The economics benefit, in this case, lies with those who cause less harm. And that benefit remains, no matter what happens to consumption.

    I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

    by tle on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 06:10:42 PM PDT

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    •  Not sacrifice, especially considering the future (1+ / 0-)
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      This is the framework known as tax-and-dividend, redistributing money from energy wasters to the energy thrifty.
      Most people would gain economically, by avoiding the direct costs of wasted energy, especially as more efficient and renewable systems scale up and gain economies of mass production. And of course everyone would get the benefit of avoided or even moderated catastrophe.

      However IMO the speech should not disparage steps in the right direction:

      Higher mileage cars won't do it.  The Energy Star program won't do it.  Subsidies for conservation won't do it.  And education certainly won't do it...
      Rather than "won't do it" I suggest "are not enough."

      Tipped anyway, good diary.

      There's no such thing as a free market!

      by Albanius on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 06:55:41 PM PDT

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      •  Makes sense, and is more courteous. Thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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        I have given thought to the idea of trading the elimination of such programs in exchange for the comprehensive approach. (Ooh, deregulation!) but we know where that would go;  programs eliminated, no comprehensive approach.

        I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

        by tle on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 07:20:36 PM PDT

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