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  •  Bwaaaahahahahahahaha!!! (4+ / 0-)

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    I want to strip from innocent Americans their current liberty to to take down an airliner with several hundred people aboard.
    Please, cite to this "liberty" in law, and then explain how someone would go about accomplishing this with civilian-legal firearms.  I caution you that I'm fairly knowledgeable of both firearms and aviation, so you'll have to be pretty factual and convincing.

    2.

    I want to strip from innocent Americans their current liberty to murder as many first graders that they can get within range of their semi-automatic rifles with thirty round magazines.
    There is no such "liberty".  Your Strawman(tm) sucks.

    3.

    I want to strip from innocent Americans their current liberty to threaten the lives of other innocent Americans that happen to be within range of their lethal weapons.
    See item 2.

    4.

    I want to strip from innocent Americans their current liberty to intimidate and terrorize other Americans using loaded weapons designed to kill people.
    Also see item 2.

    No "defense" required for something that does not exist.

    I would advise you to be aware that this is purportedly "a reality based community" website.

    Your hate-mail will be graded.

    by PavePusher on Wed Jun 26, 2013 at 04:13:42 PM PDT

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    •  Nice answer: Denial and more denial. (0+ / 0-)

      Let's address #2, which is the most current concern in many circles.

      I want to strip from innocent Americans their current liberty to murder as many first graders that they can get within range of their semi-automatic rifles with thirty round magazines.
      There is no such "liberty".  Your Strawman(tm) sucks.
      The NRA opposes any limit on the kinds of firearms that may be owned, or any limit on the firepower of those weapons. In terms of practical effect, both you and the NRA fully support the legal right of any American to arm themselves with the capability of murdering first graders by the dozens.

      Out of one side of your mouth, we don't have the liberty of murdering first graders. But out of the other side, every person must be guaranteed that capability.

      I must tell you that I value the lives of six-year-olds much more than I value the "right" of psychopaths gun owners to possess the means to kill them by the dozens.

      I cannot imagine that the founders meant to put the recreational rights of mass murderers of children above the rights of those children to live and grow up. Sorry, but that just doesn't compute for me.

      Let's get down to reasonable gun laws that protect the lives of innocent people. Are you willing to discuss laws like this?

      Note to Boehner and McConnell: "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." --Bob Dylan-- (-7.25, -6.21)

      by Tim DeLaney on Wed Jun 26, 2013 at 04:52:19 PM PDT

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      •  Nice counter-denial and deflection. (4+ / 0-)

        1.  You haven't cited to any support for your previous claims.

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        The NRA opposes any limit on the kinds of firearms that may be owned, or any limit on the firepower of those weapons.
        Citation to this, please.  I think you'll find it's not actually true, it's just that their limits do not coincide with your desired limits, and you use this as an excuse to demonize them.

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        In terms of practical effect, both you and the NRA fully support the legal right of any American to arm themselves with the capability of murdering first graders by the dozens.
        So what?  Capability does not equal intent.  And even if you could vanish all guns, that capability would still exist.  See here.

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        I cannot imagine that the founders meant to put the recreational rights of mass murderers of children above the rights of those children to live and grow up. Sorry, but that just doesn't compute for me.
        I'm sure they didn't, and I certainly don't see any such intent or effect in any of our founding documents or current law.  When you spout such drivel as "the recreational rights of mass murderers", don't be surprised when you aren't taken seriously.

        5.

        Let's get down to reasonable gun laws that protect the lives of innocent people. Are you willing to discuss laws like this?
        Just waiting for you to start.

        Your hate-mail will be graded.

        by PavePusher on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 09:23:46 AM PDT

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