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  •  All rifles combined murder less than half as many (4+ / 0-)

    people as bare hands do.
    (AW's are only a fraction of all rifles)

    Columbine happened during AWB1.

    The Happy Land Fire killed 87.

    It is the murderer, not the object.
    But if you are convinced that banning objects is the way to prevent murders, bare hands murder twice as many people, knives kill six times as many & clubs murder slightly more people than all rifles combined do.......
    It would appear you have a lot of banning to do.
    Best get started.

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 07:39:40 AM PDT

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    •  How many first graders could Adam Lanza (0+ / 0-)

      have killed with his bare hands? Or with clubs? Or with knives?

      Or, don't first graders count?

      What good ever came out of the muzzle of an AR-15 in the hands of a civilian?

      Note to Boehner and McConnell: "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." --Bob Dylan-- (-7.25, -6.21)

      by Tim DeLaney on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 08:12:58 AM PDT

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      •  But you want to ban 'assault weapons' right? (3+ / 0-)

        First, what is an assault weapon?
        Second, pretty sure he'd have killed as many or more with a hunting rifle and lots of reduced capacity magazines.
        Third, I answered your 'what good?' question above.

        Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

        by KVoimakas on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 08:21:32 AM PDT

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        •  Oh, please (0+ / 0-)

          First, you know very well what an assault weapon is. You cannot plead ignorance here.

          Second, you're quite wrong here and you know it. The very point of an AR-15 as opposed to a hunting rifle is that it has greater firepower -- i.e. ability to kill in larger numbers. Why else would it exist?

          Third, your pathetic points:

          Competition?
          Hunting?
          Self defense?

          The AR-15 is not designed for any of the above. You might as well claim that it's useful as a paperweight. It is designed exclusively for killing humans in large numbers. That's what it was invented for. You know it; I know it.

          Note to Boehner and McConnell: "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." --Bob Dylan-- (-7.25, -6.21)

          by Tim DeLaney on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 08:45:19 AM PDT

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          •  Actually, I don't believe 'assault weapons' (4+ / 0-)

            exist outside of the imaginations of people who would like to ban them.

            How are you defining firepower? The Mini-14 shoots the same cartridge and can take 30 round magazines. Yet it would not be considered an assault weapon by the AWB of 1994. This is one of my major problems with 'assault weapons' and the supposed definition of them.

            I love how you take good things that happen with an AR15 in civilian hands and completely dismiss them because they don't fit what you want. Needless to say, NONE of the ARs I owned did any damage to anything but paper targets. I had seven at one point.

            My pocket knife isn't designed to kill someone, yet it could be pressed into that duty. My 1911 isn't designed for distance shooting, yet I'm pretty good at 100 yards with it. Well, somewhat good anyway. The AR15 wasn't designed to kill people in large numbers. If it was, it wouldn't use 5.56/.223 and you'd be talking about the original design (that was full auto/select fire) of the M16/M4.

            Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

            by KVoimakas on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 09:01:26 AM PDT

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            •  If you maintain that the AR-15 (0+ / 0-)

              was not designed to kill people, then you are deluded or dishonest.

              There are very few firearms that were designed for other purposes. Shotguns come to mind, of course, and no doubt there are some specialized guns designed primarily for target shooting.

              But the majority of guns were specifically designed for use against people. Now that's a historical fact, not merely an opinion. The AR-15 falls squarely into that category.

              I don't for a moment dispute your personal attitude towards firearms. No doubt, if everybody was as responsible as you are, we would not experience these massacres every few months.

              But we do. Why is it that you believe your ability to perforate paper targets without any restriction is more important to the nation than the lives of first graders?

              Note to Boehner and McConnell: "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." --Bob Dylan-- (-7.25, -6.21)

              by Tim DeLaney on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 09:50:32 AM PDT

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      •  Sir, I was trained in karate, as a self-defense (0+ / 0-)

        tactic.  What I learned over the 10+ yrs of training could have allowed me to kill as many people I wanted until I got bored or tired of it.  The only thing that could have stopped me, a person with a gun.  I'm not faster than a bullet.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 09:29:44 AM PDT

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        •  I am impressed. (0+ / 0-)

          But as far as I know, the country does not have a problem with karate experts going nuts and killing innocent people.

          It took you ten years of hard work, dedication, and training to acquire your skills. If you are that motivated, I doubt that you would become a mass murderer.

          In ten minutes or so, any disturbed individual could buy a gun and become even more potentially lethal than you are. Do you see what I'm getting at?

          Note to Boehner and McConnell: "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." --Bob Dylan-- (-7.25, -6.21)

          by Tim DeLaney on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 10:06:13 AM PDT

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          •  Point taken, the shooter in Norway hurt 209 (5+ / 0-)

            and killed 85 people.  He planned for over two years for his attack.  He was "dedicated" to goal, sadly.

            Insanity comes in a variety of ways and is not always violent.  The stats on mass murder has been stable for over 40 yrs....

            We shouldn't pass laws based on "possibilities", anything is possible.  I do not subscribe to the Fear Porn For Profit(tm) model that has been used to define these issues for us and used as a justification to strip Americans of their preexisting rights.

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 10:24:27 AM PDT

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