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  •  I guess it's not faulty reasoning if we equate (0+ / 0-)

    getting rid of pregnancy vs. preventing one. And I wasn't asserting spontaneous unplanned sex to rape. I was saying spontaneous unplanned sex without protection is irresponsible and makes us not able to "help" we didn't use protection. Oh, it was spontaneous and I just couldn't wait to put a condom on because I just had to have it! That is what you arguing!

    •  Ohhhh dear. (9+ / 0-)

      You are aware that the morning-after pill does prevent conception rather than terminating a conceptus, aren't you?

      Also: leaving aside the risk of STDs and focusing solely on the risk of pregnancy (since that is the topic at hand), you have yet to explain how spontaneous unplanned sex is more irresponsible than, for instance, spontaneous unplanned ice cream.

      ("I just couldn't wait to put a condom on because I just had to have it" is your argument, not anyone else's.)

      •  Because spontaneous unplanned ice cream cannot (0+ / 0-)

        lead to pregnancy. Why is pregnancy so casual or denigrated by the left and a fetus so lifeless that it's like eating ice cream? Ah, I get it, because then abortion is not only easy but not a consequence that determines thoughtful reproach. It used to be that democrats stance was abortion was supposed to safe,legal and rare, but now it seems that rare was not only dropped but abortion should be celebrated...because it's like eating ice cream!

        •  I was asking about sex, not pregnancy. (9+ / 0-)

          And while sex can lead to pregnancy, using the morning-after pill is as effective in preventing that as using birth control medication or condoms.

          What exactly is wrong with that?

          (And in case this still isn't clear to you: when the morning-after pill is used, there is no fetus.)

        •  Fuck "rare" (7+ / 0-)

          I get why that was added to the phrase, but "Safe and Legal" are all you need.  As soon as "rare" is thrown in there then lawmakers feel justified to make all sorts of laws to try and stop women from having control over their own bodies.  

          Frankly, I would celebrate an abortion if I ever got one, because no damn way do I ever want kids, and the first question out of my mouth if a doctor told me I was pregnant would be "can you do an abortion here and now or do I have to schedule a different appointment or go somewhere else?".  

          I do use birth control pills, but if I realized I forgot to take one and I'd had sex, plan B is a hell of a lot easier on the body than abortion, but either way I'd make sure there was no pregnancy resulting.

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          I’m a feminist because the message is still "don’t get raped" not "don’t rape"

          by Avilyn on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 01:34:18 PM PDT

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        •  Since when has it become acceptable (2+ / 0-)
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          to spout RW nonsense about abortion.

          Can you link to any evidence of what you assert?

          It used to be that democrats stance was abortion was supposed to safe,legal and rare, but now it seems that rare was not only dropped but abortion should be celebrated...because it's like eating ice cream!
          Please cite evidence that Dems think abortion should be frequent (the opposite of rare).

          Please cite evidence that Dems think abortion should be celebrated..

          Please cite evidence that Dems think abortion is like eating ice cream.

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          by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 03:54:29 PM PDT

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    •  Also (5+ / 0-)

      if your intent was not to compare anything else to rape, maybe you shouldn't have talked about "men who claim they have a right to sex even if it's forced" in conjunction with women who have sex without using birth control.

      •  I used that example because both have been able to (1+ / 0-)
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        claim the "loss of self control" in the resulting consequences. Rape is nothing like not using birth control. One is forced sex and one is not. I am talking about the way that we have said that men who use this lame tactic to excuse their behavior are saying in essence that they were like an animal and they weren't thinking. It is bullshit. But it is also bullshit to say that one cannot but help to have sex and not use protection. They are both about self control.

    •  Here's the problem with what you think (6+ / 0-)

      You think it's your right to tell other people what they should and shouldn't do with their bodies when it comes to sex.

      You think it's your right to tell other people what "responsible" expression of their sexuality entails.

      You clearly don't get it.

      Pro-choice, isn't just for women who get pregnant. It's for both men and women. Pro-choice means leaving private decisions about what people do with their bodies - up to them.

      And it leaves decisions about contraception, pregnancy, and maternity up to the woman because she is the one most impacted by the immediate risks and consequences of pregnancy.

      Get it?

      It's not your place. Your assertions that you are pro-choice are belied by all your subsequent protestations about others' private choices.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 04:04:11 PM PDT

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    •  What I think, whatithink, (4+ / 0-)

      is that you are engaging in the same sort of slut-shaming that underlies the anti-choice movement. They've long since come out as unconcerned about babies; we now know it is about punishing women for their choices.

      You on the other hand grudgingly allow that women should have choices, but seem to feel they should feel bad and guilty about it.

      There's kind of a thin line here. And after nearly two years of assaults on their sexuality, you can see why women might get testy about your trying to guilt-trip them.

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      by anastasia p on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 04:32:10 PM PDT

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