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  •  there are no "buts" here (10+ / 0-)

    It is a bad ruling that will roll back the clock.  Let's not sugar coat this with "perhaps".  

    The door has been opened to rolling back the clock.  Yes, some things will need judicial review. That takes time.  Do we get a do-over if something fails judicial review after an election?

    •  Not sugar coating anything (3+ / 0-)

      Merely pointing out something I haven't seen mentioned often today. Not everyone follows these things closely and knows the scope of the decision.

      Black Holes Suck.

      by Pi Li on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 09:31:42 AM PDT

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      •  I understand what you're saying (16+ / 0-)

        But it is now open season by the extremist Republicans controlling many state  houses to roll back the clock.  They aren't thinking of judicial review.  They don't care.  

        I live in the teabagger hell hole formerly known as Florida.  These are radicals who give no thought to the future or the consequences of what they do.  

        All they do is do.  

        •  I agree with one caveat (10+ / 0-)
          They aren't thinking of judicial review.  They don't care.
          They know full well that any constitution can only be as good as those who enforce and interpret it. It is obvious that the American right fully expects to be able to control "judicial review" in the near future. Unfortunately, there are too many good wittle wibewals who are totally invested in the sort of magical thinking that convinces them that the US Constitution is some sort of magic talisman that will somehow ward off evil.
          •  Tell it to the Blacks who came out in record (0+ / 0-)

            numbers and stood in line for record lengths of time to vote last year, and to all of those, public and private, who took various states to court to roll back attempted voter suppression measures. See also my Diary

            The Constitution as Catch-22

            explaining the true Progressive analysis of the Constitution, and what you have to do about it. Or to put it another way,

            What you mean we, troll?
            Why are you on dKos at all?

            Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

            by Mokurai on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 01:30:44 PM PDT

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            •  I wasn't expecting such rigid demands (0+ / 0-)

              for adherence to official dogma. Seriously, I don't expect to be here or on any other internet forum for much longer. The various forums I've seen overwhelmingly tend to fall into three categories: 1) Right-wing sites, that are as bad as they can be, 2) non-conservative sites that basically allow those on the right to spout verbal vomit at will, and 3) sites like this one, with rigid standards of Ideological Soundness.

              •  There is no 'official dogma,' but I do... (0+ / 0-)

                ...think that site rules discourage calls to/advocating of violence. Maybe you would have more fun if you stuck to your favorite right wing sites that have no rigid standards of "Ideological Soundness."

                •  That's cute... (0+ / 0-)

                  telling me to go to sites where they routinely suppress non-conservative comments and/or ban non-conservatives. And there you go again, with that "stuck record/CD" charge of "advocating violence" (that vague, intellectually dishonest phrase). It may be ideologically convenient for you to pretend that I have done so, but my conscience is completely clear. I know that I have done nothing wrong. Are you at least honest enough to declare yourself as a pacifist? I do not hesitate to state that I am not a pacifist. I realize that in certain circles, that makes me tantamount to a murderer. Such is the state of what passes for public discourse in the US.

                  •  I merely stated that Daily Kos... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...discouraged advocating violence. Others here HR'd your comments and said you advocated violence.
                     I never said I was a pacifist, and I did NOT hide rate any of your comments here. Thanks!

                    •  "Others...said..." (0+ / 0-)

                      I'm always sooo impressed by "some said/others said" comments. It is quite obvious that this is a site that is dominated by a clique that rigidly enforces their idea of Ideological Soundness. Frankly, I'm surprised that I have not yet been banned for the heinous crime of disputing the supremacy of this clique.

                      •  No, really, other commenters did... (0+ / 0-)

                        ...say you advocated violence. And those 'other' people hide rated your comments. You seem to be fairly thin skinned and angry, so I'm going to step out of this conversation. Thanks again.

                        •  Yeah, they did do that, (0+ / 0-)

                          but just because they did it doesn't mean it was valid. As I have observed, this is a site lays on the Ideological Soundness with a very heavy hand. And I am quite amused by the implication that it is just fine for the Personal Virtue crowd to wax angry and self-righteous, but it is terrible of me to display any normal human emotions. Again, such is the nature of what passes for public discourse in the US. It's no wonder this country is going to hell in a hand basket.

        •  one decent hurricane (1+ / 0-)
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          and I think Florida may become historical....

          •  Florida is the state most vulnerable to (0+ / 0-)

            rising seas from Global Warming, starting with the Keys and the Everglades. Rolling Stone has a piece about this right now, focused a little way up the coast, where it invites us to consider the inevitable combination of rising seas and the storm surge from a super-hurricane hitting Florida, among other issues.

            Goodbye, Miami

            By century's end, rising sea levels will turn the nation's urban fantasyland into an American Atlantis. But long before the city is completely underwater, chaos will begin
            The story opens
            When the water receded after Hurricane Milo of 2030, there was a foot of sand covering the famous bow-tie floor in the lobby of the Fontaine­bleau hotel in Miami Beach. A dead manatee floated in the pool where Elvis had once swum. Most of the damage occurred not from the hurricane's 175-mph winds, but from the 24-foot storm surge that overwhelmed the low-lying city.

            Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

            by Mokurai on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 05:23:53 PM PDT

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    •  Not to mention (12+ / 0-)

      Lawsuits take money. Lots of money. The NAACP doesnt have the resources to file law suits in every podunk town in Mississippi that decides to move a polling location from the AME church to Daughter of the Confederacy.

    •  You mean after they rig the election (3+ / 0-)
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      And stack the "Justice" department and the courts?

      (And yes, "Justice" belongs in scare quotes even under the current Democratic administration.  The next Republican administration will just complete the transformation to a complete farce.)

      "And the President of the United States - would be seated right here. I would be here. And he would be here. I would turn - and there he’d be. I could pet ‘im." - Lewis Black

      by libdevil on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 11:04:40 AM PDT

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    •  Which shifts the burden to the aggrieved n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      Adam B, apimomfan2, nota bene
    •  you can still litigate and stay any (0+ / 0-)

      new legislative apportionment system
      but you will need to show why a
      injunction is needed.

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