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  •  This Just In: (2+ / 0-)

    Prediction:

    After a little more paperwork, er I mean "study", is completed.. the XL pipeline will be approved.

    Some folks will act shocked and feel betrayed, forgetting completely (again) the record Obama has established thus far on issues near & dear to the wealthy elite.

    The 1% will laugh.

    If it's timed correctly, maybe the XL Pipeline can be served up alongside the Trans Pacific Partnership.  

    The excuses for Obama's behavior have long since passed the point of predictability neccessary to qualify as an absurd production of Kabuki Theater.

    by Johnathan Ivan on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 10:58:23 AM PDT

    •  Yes, always predict the worse, (15+ / 0-)

      but don't show up if you are wrong.  The truth is neither you nor I know what will happen and talking out of our asses only strinks up the place.  The executive order helps make it more difficult to approve, which is good, but the outcome still is uncertain.  I don't know hat decision will be made and will offer no prediction, let alone one with the certainty of yours.  

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      by TomP on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 11:11:05 AM PDT

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      •  it might be closer to the truth though (1+ / 0-)
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        Tom, we've all seen the track record thus far. I don't think you can blame anyone for being cynical about this.

        An elective despotism was not the government we fought for - Thomas Jefferson

        by valadon on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 11:26:30 AM PDT

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        •  Being cynical? Fine; and justified. (2+ / 0-)
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          Cheering for failure so he can be right?  That's what I see in that gloating  comment.

          "Why reasonable people go stark raving mad when anything involving a Negro comes up, is something I don’t pretend to understand." ~ Atticus Finch, "To Kill a Mockingbird"

          by SottoVoce on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 11:39:46 AM PDT

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        •  What's blame got to do with it? Reflexive (1+ / 0-)
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          cynicism is understandable.  It's safe & low-risk.  

        •  many times poeple predict the worst, it doesn't (1+ / 0-)
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          Happen, then the predictors don't show up to admit they were wrong, they instead move on to the next issue, pretending they'd never made the prediction.

          For example, lots of folks on progressive sites said President Obama was too cowardly or too beholden to the 1% to make recess appointments to NLRB.  Then he did, and his bashers never admitted they were wrong, continued to call him a coward and/or 1% servant the next day.

          Similar incidents have happened numerous times, and that's a "track record" the critics never own up to.

          That said, I don't know what will happen with kxl.  Above, someone argued that if it's not built, the tar sands will be transported by rail and/or truck, so the pipeline would not increase greenhouse emissions compared to that alternative, which the State Dept might argue.  :(

      •  There's this thing called the historical (1+ / 0-)
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        record.

        It's usually a pretty good indicator of what types of things one might expect in the future.

        Let's see if I can think up an example.. hmm.. which one, which one.. oh!  I have one:

        Obama selected three different Banksters as Chief of Staff;

        Obama publicly defended the banksters

        Obama publicly praised JP Morgan & Jamie Dimon

        Obama's Department of Justice declared Wall Street off-limits, from a prosecution stand point

        Obama appointed a Wall Street Bankster (who bet against the American housing market) as Treasury Secretary

        Now - and make no mistake, I do NOT claim to be one of those Psychics you can call on a 900 line - but, based on the above historical facts, I'm guessing Wall Street's Predators don't have much to fear with Obama in power.

        Of course, I could be wrong!  Obama may - any day now - unleash his Department of Justice and go after those Wall Street Predators, er I mean "Savvy Businessmen".

        Sure, it could happen.  Anything is possible.

        But it sure as fk isn't likely, is it?

        The excuses for Obama's behavior have long since passed the point of predictability neccessary to qualify as an absurd production of Kabuki Theater.

        by Johnathan Ivan on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 12:00:12 PM PDT

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        •  Obama is the best clean energy President (3+ / 0-)
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          in American history, by far. That's the record. Every expert says we need to do much more but the green stimulus happened, efficiency spending happened, auto fuel standards happened, doubling clean energy happened. I see a lot of cynicism on this thread that's blinding people to Obama's record.

          •  except... (0+ / 0-)

            Those standards can be changed by any subsequent administration.  Also, if you look at the standards and the time frame they will apply to..the year 2025..

            Today's 2013 VW Jetta Diesel can almost meet the 2025 requirements.

            The new standards, which again can be modified, are aligned to current trending of technology and efficiency being pursued by automakers, they are neither a sea-change nor a huge interruption to business.

            The excuses for Obama's behavior have long since passed the point of predictability neccessary to qualify as an absurd production of Kabuki Theater.

            by Johnathan Ivan on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 01:51:36 PM PDT

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            •  You're ignoring (0+ / 0-)

              that the 2025 deadline is the second round of auto fuel efficiency standards. He made the first round part of the bailout which also got Detroit producing more hybrids and fewer SUVs. That had a more immediate impact. He also put heavy truck standards in place for the first time ever.
              I'll take your failure to rebut his other accomplishments as an admission that his record is a good one.

              And what point are you making by saying it wasn't "huge interruption to business?" Of course it wasn't. Was that supposed to be a goal? To stop the assembly line and put people out of work? Were you under the impression that Obama was going to lead the revolution of the workers and line CEOs up against the wall? Was he supposed to mandate that they use technology today that hasn't been invented yet? You're trying too hard.

              •  there there's this: (0+ / 0-)

                Keystone XL

                Tar Sands

                Fracking

                Deep Water Drilling

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                Drill, baby, drill.

                The excuses for Obama's behavior have long since passed the point of predictability neccessary to qualify as an absurd production of Kabuki Theater.

                by Johnathan Ivan on Wed Jun 26, 2013 at 10:52:04 AM PDT

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                •  So something Obama hasn't done (0+ / 0-)

                  and probably won't do (Keystone XL) is proof that his record is bad? You're confusing record with speculation.
                  And Obama is supposed to stop tar sands drilling in Canada too? I didn't know he was elected PM of Canada.
                  And Obama doesn't have authority to regulate fracking without action by Congress. That whole game of blaming Obama personally for everything a Republican Congress does or won't do is pretty disingenuous and tiring. His mention of natural gas in the speech was disappointing but that gives no rational reason to believe he'll do nothing positive.
                  It's not his record. It's your cynicism.

                  •  What gets me... (0+ / 0-)

                    Is that - after years of Obama surrounding himself by banksters and following Palin's mantra of "drill, baby, drill!", there are still those who refuse to see his actions right in front of their face.

                    As for the XL Pipeline, if you honestly think its approval is in doubt, you haven't been paying attention.

                    Let me explain how this is going to work:

                    There will be some nice paperwork, er I mean studies, after which the XL will be green-lighted.  Hell, it was Obama's administration that issued positive approvals for it in the first damn place.  Sheesh.  You think he's really going to go back on something so near and dear to the corporate elite that his administration has already supported??

                    Lucy lines up the ball for Charlie Brown yet again.

                    The excuses for Obama's behavior have long since passed the point of predictability neccessary to qualify as an absurd production of Kabuki Theater.

                    by Johnathan Ivan on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 06:58:41 AM PDT

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              •  Excellent article on CD: (0+ / 0-)

                The excuses for Obama's behavior have long since passed the point of predictability neccessary to qualify as an absurd production of Kabuki Theater.

                by Johnathan Ivan on Wed Jun 26, 2013 at 10:53:29 AM PDT

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            •  Also (0+ / 0-)

              cash for clunkers took a lot of highly polluting cars off the road, the stimulus signficantly invested in high speed rail, and transportation is promoting projects that promote pedestrians and bicycle planning. So yes, Obama's record does tell us a lot about what to expect.

        •  These diaries always bring this kind (2+ / 0-)
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          of crap out.  Never fails.  Not a word about the good.  Site rules prevent me from telling you what I actually think.

    •  Nobody will be laughing... (0+ / 0-)

      When Wall Street and Miami are below sea level.
      Many in the O admin know that this is what is at stake.

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