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  •  "..anyway Keystone could pass that test...?" (6+ / 0-)

    only if it is considered separately from the source of the crap it will transport. If KXL is killed and the Tar Sands are still exploited, they will move it by truck and/or rail, either of which will make more carbon than a pipe.
    It's crucial that KXL continue to be tied to Tar Sands as far as any calculation of GHGs.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 11:23:10 AM PDT

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    •  That's a damned hairy dilemma, isn't it? (2+ / 0-)
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      Make a call for the environment with a reasonable likelihood  that it will actually result in more harm to the environment?


      Obama can get away with it: he's not running again.

      What would really be nice would be a very public partnership with private industry (can't be nasty old socialists) to provide a reliable and renewable alternative to all of the Canadian tar sand oil we currently burn, better still if it can generate some good jobs on a par with those in the petroleum industry.

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      by dinotrac on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 11:29:14 AM PDT

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    •  It won't pass the test (4+ / 0-)
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      State Department’s finding that tar sands oil will be produced in equivalent amounts and then exported to the United States or else Keystone’s construction notwithstanding contradicts forecasts by the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP) which in 2012 estimated that tar sands oil production will double between 2020 and 2030, unless Keystone XL and other proposed pipelines are not built.

    •  That's what it seems like... (0+ / 0-)

      an accounting trick?

      Isn't there a net loss of Energy in any reaction? Or Entropy?(Rise in opening a running fridge in a perfectly sealed room(or calorimeter)?

      Maybe there are benefits but is this at all like Ethanol? Don't blast, just curious.

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