Skip to main content

View Diary: Democrats and Republicans Are The Same, Huh?: Voting Rights Act Decision SLAPS That in the Face (718 comments)

Comment Preferences

    •  Tell me, Ian, who's been saying the D's & R's... (10+ / 0-)

      ...are the same on SOCIAL issues?

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 09:50:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  OK. Now I get your point. (8+ / 0-)

        People have been saying that there's no reason to vote for a Democrat over a Republican because the two parties are the same.

        You've seen comments and even diaries that have made that point all over the site. You clearly reject such an idea. And maybe some people who've made that comment may reject it, given some more thought. That's what this Court decision should do--encourage them to rethink it.

        •  Really? WHO says that? (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Aspe4, triv33

          That's an interesting strawman that has been propped up a lot, but you know, I never seem to get any links to rec listed diaries, front pager articles, or hundred-rec-comments suggesting that there's no reason to vote for a Democrat over a Republican, around here.

          So, how about you back up your repeated assertion, or update with a retraction?

          "It puts the lotion on its skin, or it gets the GOP again." - The Democratic Party

          by Rick Aucoin on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 10:31:26 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Ian, no, you don't "get" my point, since... (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          burlydee, triv33, Rick Aucoin, Cassiodorus

          ...the headline of your post CONFLATES the greater reality that there are TRADITIONAL DEM'S and NEW/CORPORATE DEM'S that comprise The Democratic Party. And, it's primarily TRADITIONAL DEM'S that--as far as criticism from within the Party's concerned--have been critical of the administration's pro-corporatist/pro-1% economic policies. (There are many DEMOCRATIC members of congress, in fact, that identify with these "NEW/CORPORATE" vs. "TRADITIONAL" labels, as well. So, this isn't something that we're just making up as we go along, so to speak.)

          There are many folks, including many within our own Party, that make unfounded generalizations that there are no differences between the two parties. There are others, such as even yours truly, that take the general approach that when it comes to their support of the fiscal policies supported by the 1%, there's very little difference between the parties (specifically, very little difference between the fiscal policies of many Republicans and the fiscal policies of many New Democrats) when it comes to the "end result" of legislation and related fiscal policies.

          Making generalizations about those that talk about the parties, as you do based upon the premise of your headline, are just plain wrong. It oversimplifies and more-than-tacitly justifies a LOT of the bullshit that many TRADITIONAL DEMOCRATIC folks--folks like yours truly--contend with among some non-TRADITIONAL DEMOCRATIC factions (i.e.: NEW DEMOCRATS) within this community, too.

          So, unless you're going to modify your headline, accordingly, clearly you're just playing along with that admittedly (by you, in this comment thread) misleading meme.

           

          "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

          by bobswern on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 11:26:35 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Many call this "INVERTED TOTALITARIANISM"... (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            triv33, Rick Aucoin, k9disc

            ...which is the point where political fiscal/economic thought between New/Corporate Dems and Moderate/Liberal Republicans converge, which is really quite spot-on, even though it doesn't sound very nice.

            The fact is, whether people will acknowledge it or not the, most New Democrats (and many Republicans, too) endorse and embrace what Princeton University Political Science Professor Emeritus Sheldon Wolin has referred to as INVERTED TOTALITARIANISM, which he also references by the term, "Managed Democracy", IMHO.

            "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

            by bobswern on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 11:57:33 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site