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  •  I just posted this (6+ / 0-)

    in the above comment-

    http://www.commondreams.org/...

    But---yeah---a whole lot of money is being made.

    Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

    by lyvwyr101 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 02:20:24 PM PDT

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    •  Thanks for the link (6+ / 0-)

      Here's another story.  Jonathan Turley - the same fellow who appeared on Keith Olbermann's show numerous times to explain the Constitution and Bill of Rights in clear and cogent terms - has this on his blog today.

      Amnesty International Denounces Obama Administration’s Prosecution Of Snowden

      Down in the comments is a link to the blurb in The Guardian that quotes Putin about where Snowden was and that they would not extradite Snowden.

      It amuses me that Putin essentially told Obama & Kerry [i.e. the US] to go pound sand because they wouldn't be extraditing Snowden who was allegedly at the Moscow Airport Transit Zone [I'm not clear what that means unless it's a secure area within the airport where people have been screened and can then move on to plane connections, so it's kind of a no-man's land of neutrality?].

      Here's Democracy Now's much more extensive coverage of the Snowden story for today.  In the middle there's an update on events.  Amy Goodman interviews Glenn Greenwald, too.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 03:24:05 PM PDT

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      •  These are great links! (1+ / 0-)
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        Is it dawning on Washington that other countries do not feel an obligation to limit either freedom of speech or freedom of expression?

        Nor are they inclined to assist----in any of this.

        Hard to believe--nobody wants to do our dirty work!

        Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

        by lyvwyr101 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 04:24:44 PM PDT

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        •  Someone is standing up... (3+ / 0-)

          ... for their own people - and average Americans - like our Cretinous Congress Critters should have stood up for us when Dumbya & Dickie crammed the illegal and unconstitutional AUMF, the Patriot Act, MCA '06, FISA fiasco '08, and MCA '09 through both chambers of Congress.  Our rights were stripped away - including habeas corpus which has been around since June 1215!!! -

          I'm finding the actions of foreign leaders extremely refreshing, quite frankly..., and I don't blame the citizens or leaders of any country for being royally pissed off at the US for the draconian way in which NSA has been hoovering and storing ALL data.  In spite of Dumbya, Dickie, and then picked up by Obama and our Cretinous Congress Critters, using the paranoid excuse that we have "enemy ter'rists" out to get us, I don't believe them for a second.  Obviously, they couldn't stop a lone criminal who killed children and teachers at a school.  They didn't stop the mad bombers in Boston.  What the hell good did it do to gather all data on everyone if they couldn't stop those people and/or others from being killed or maimed?

          I'm not naive.  I know perfectly well other countries have spied on us, altho probably not to the extent that the US has spied on them; I suspect they have enough good sense to spy on people or places that do pose some kind of real threat to them.  Still, right here in the US, without a proper search warrant that meets the standards of the Fourth Amendment, there is NO reason for our own government to spy on anyone, anywhere, at any time without probable cause to believe a crime has been committed by specific people and/or there's overwhelming circumstantial or real evidence there is a plot by specific people to do something totally illegal, and even then the Fourth Amendment is specific as to particulars for what can be searched or seized.

          That one paragraph for the Fourth Amendment is a gem of specificity, as are the other nine Amendments.   Our Founding Documents were written by people who kept their language simple and understandable, even to uneducated persons or those who only had an elementary education in their day.  The Constitution and Bill of Rights were not written by people who put a lot of loopholes, exceptions, and exclusions in our Founding Documents.

          Really, just reading our Founding Documents is a pleasure because the words are, in themselves, poetic prose.

          Other nations emulated our Founding Documents.  The difference is that they actually live by them..., they don't try to change them or have someone use convoluted pretzel logic come up with "secret laws or secret interpretations" of existing laws to try to get around what was originally written in very public and transparent laws.  Our Founding Documents were not written with the idea that there would be a "secret shadow government" consisting of corporations and banks running things in the background with the transparent part of our Founding Documents "just for show."  That is the most incredibly stupid idea I've ever heard.  My jaw dropped when I heard about "secret interpretations" of existing law, and "secret laws" allowing for spying on everyone.  How damned foolish can they get?!?  And how stupid does Obama think we are to actually believe his claims of running a transparent government...?  I didn't believe his speech in 2008 (his body language was all off), and in hindsight we now know for sure he was lying his ass off.

          So, when leaders of other nations (even those who have a history of past transgressions) actually stand up for the correct side of the rule of law and stand up for their own people (and they're even standing up for the Americans who are doing the right thing and reporting the crimes committed by the US government)..., well, that does my old heart good.

          We could use a little of the same behavior on the part of our Cretinous Congress Critters and our president and our SCOTUS in this country....  Instead, they treat us like we are their enemies, not the people who "elected" them.

          How does that inspire us to "trust" them to give us back our rights and stand up for us, not just the corporations and banks who use money as 'free speech' access to our "elected" leaders?

          Grrrrrrr....

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 06:06:13 PM PDT

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          •  You bet--NonnyO! (1+ / 0-)
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            when I heard the term; "Secret laws..............Secret Interpretations" I nearly threw up.

            In this country?

            Are they kidding?

            And people just smile--nod---and move on?

            Every right that is taken from us---in "secret" we may never get back.

            This is a drumbeat of the erosion of our rights.

            And Washington is blatant about it.

            They are point-blank.

            We are being deprivd of our rights in this country---and we need to stand up---we need to open our mouths------what is happening in this country is terrifying----and people DO need to stand up.

            Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

            by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jun 26, 2013 at 06:35:00 AM PDT

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      •  what we have seen is but the tip... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...of the things we have not seen ...the incalculable, unmeasurable damage that the Bush-Cheney regime worked their work so well against American credibility abroad, is only exceeded by the fact that not only are they still breathing the air of free men, but our own Dem administration has moved a heaven and earth's worth of every legal cover--including invoking state secrets, and filing amicus briefs nullifying the Nuremberg Principles--they could find to protect them from the long arm of a well-deserved and just reward.

        I said once upon a time, I live only to see them standing tall in orange jumpsuits in front of an American war crimes tribunal. At least, I will go to my grave with not one drop of innocent blood on my hands. No amount of time will erase their crimes from history, seven or seventy oceans of water will never wash away the innocent blood from theirs. I really believed that our Dem president would grow in office, from one community oraganizer who rose from among millions of of us who have no voice, into a veteran statesman who loves freedom more than gaining empire, as worthy of our trust--and the Nobel Peace prize--as Bush was as worthy of the hangman's noose he placed around Saddam's neck. A prince whose only calling card was absolute despotism is unfit of ruling over a free people-or of remaining free for his egregiousness and brutality.  

        No accountability = silence. Silence = complicity. No longer are we a nation of laws, but men.

        "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

        by ImpeachKingBushII on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 06:15:30 PM PDT

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