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  •  Well, that's how you probably go about it if you (0+ / 0-)

    are sincere.

    It also involves a public declaration of your intent, changing your documents and trying to live in a culture which is not going to accept what you have done.
    So, you publicly declare your intent to be a woman.  Done.  Do you have to publish it in the paper?  Announce it every time you walk into a room?  Seems that once it's done it's done.

    In fact, can you even require that?  Are people required to announce their sex to the world or is this a special rule for transgender people?

    changing your documents
    Is that required?  The child in this case did not change her birth certificate and I'm not at all clear on how you get sex on a passport changed legally.
    trying to live in a culture which is not going to accept what you have done
    Seems to me that the vast majority of people will assume that someone who looks like a big hairy male football player is a big hairy male football player and that the only time this person is going to have any trouble is when s/he presents documents claiming to be a woman or walks into a women's restroom or locker room.

    In fact, I just came up with a new reason for a person to do this.

    Just keep joining gyms, going to swimming pools, etc., walking into the women's locker room, and suing when people try to stop you.  Bet you could make a very nice living off the settlements.

    •  Do you really think you are making ... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...a serious argument, or do you just like typing 'big hairy male football player?'

      •  Why do you think people won't game (0+ / 0-)

        the system?

        I do think I am making a serious argument.  But yes, I do like to provide concrete and vivid examples - I think it makes it much easier for people to understand the point than if you keep it abstract.

        Fake women in sports are not without precedent -

        Hermann Ratjen disguised himself as a woman by tightly binding his genitals to his body while competing in the women’s high jump at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Ratjen finished fourth in the competition, and later set a groundbreaking world record at the European Championships in 1938. But despite wearing a dress, Ratjen was revealed as a man after two athletics fans spotted him with facial hair at a train station in Germany. A doctor was called, and a brief examination confirmed he had male genitals. Ratjen never competed again, and in 1957 admitted he was actually a man, claiming the Nazi regime had forced him to compete as a woman. “For three years I lived the life of a girl. It was most dull,” he said.
        There have also been cases where whites have pretended to be black to benefit from affirmative action:
        Philip and Paul Malone are fair-haired, fair-complexioned identical twins who worked for the Boston Fire Department for 10 years. Last month both were dismissed when a state agency ruled that they had lied on their job applications: They had contended they were black. The finding has sent shock waves through the city government, touching off charges that employees of other agencies may have misused plans designed to remedy past discrimination against black and Hispanic workers.

        Last week the Administration of Mayor Raymond L. Flynn began to investigate the race and ethnic background of the hundreds of workers hired as members of minority groups over the past decade by the Fire, Police and School Departments.


        But in 1976, according to their lawyer, Nicholas Foundas, their mother found a sepia-tinted photograph of their great-grandmother, who, she told them, was black. In 1977, they reapplied to take the test, contending they were black.

        Apparently Soul Man was not just a movie.

        The actual case is quite interesting.

        The hearing officer applied the following criteria: (i) visual observation of physical features; (ii) documentary evidence establishing black ancestry, such as birth certificates; and (iii) evidence that the Malones or their families held themselves out to be black and are considered black in the community. She concluded that the Malones had failed conspicuously to establish any of the three criteria.
        By this standard, Elizabeth Warren would not have qualified as Native American, at least until her Native ancestry became an issue in the election campaign.
    •  The child in this case had changed her passport... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...and state ID.  Birth Certificates are in many places restricted from being changed.

      If you think you can make a living off of being transgender, have at it.  The vast majority of us transpeople live at or below the poverty level.

      •  Do you have any evidence that there was any (0+ / 0-)

        official change to the passport?

        Or did the parents just apply for a female passport and ID and no one checked?

        If you think you can make a living off of being transgender, have at it.  The vast majority of us transpeople live at or below the poverty level.
        Are you a biologically male transgender female person?  Do you live in a state that has laws preventing discrimination against transgender people?  If not move to one.

        Now, join a woman's gym, walk into the woman's locker room, and take off your clothes, making sure everyone gets a good look at the male equipment.

        Women run out, huss and fuss.  You show ID.  Gym still wants you out or offers a privae locker room - their female patrons are refusing to use their locker room.  

        You sue.

        Repeat as necessary to achieve desired income level.

        What's wrong with this plan?

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