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  •  You should know that it's long been established (7+ / 0-)

    since the Samuel Chase matter in 1805 that the content of a justice's opinion is not grounds for impeachment.  That principle, in place since 1805, is considered to be essential for an independent judiciary.  Otherwise, for example, a liberal justice would always be concerned, with a Republican Congress, that he/she would be impeached if he/she issued liberal opinions.  

    •  The Roberts Court has proven that standard (1+ / 0-)
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      to be obsolete, as they've repeatedly overthrown or preemptively determined the will of the American electorate from the bench.  These are foundational matters of republic, and cannot be allowed to continue.

      Assumptions begin with ass and end with shit.

      by Troubadour on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 01:23:22 PM PDT

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      •  I doubt you would even be able to convince a (6+ / 0-)

        majority of Democratic members of Congress that Congress should impeach a justice when they do not agree with the opinions the justice writes, regardless of why they disagree or how strongly they disagree.

        Your chances of getting even a vote on articles of impeachment out of this Republican House are less than zero.  

      •  Troubadour - we have never impeached and (4+ / 0-)

        removed a Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States and none of the current members will be the first.

        Impeachment starts in the House and you couldn't get a majority of just the House Democrats to move forward on impeachment hearings on the basis of how Justices voted on any case, including Shelby.

        It would be a difficult, but at least plausible goal, to have Congress work on a new Section 4 map. It would be certainly easier than impeachment, which is a DOA.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 03:23:57 PM PDT

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        •  It just seems like people are in denial (0+ / 0-)

          about what's going on with this Court.  I warned about it before the Citizens United decision, I warned about it after it, I warned about it when they started taking up the VRA case, and now they've decided exactly what I said they would, on exactly the same partisan lines.  Doing nothing is not a solution, and just running with the decision is nothing.  

          Assumptions begin with ass and end with shit.

          by Troubadour on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 03:37:06 PM PDT

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          •  Political capital is a valuable commodity (1+ / 0-)
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            I would rather see the White House and Democrats in Congress spend that rare political capital on a new Section 4 map, with some chance of success, rather that blow it all on chasing impeachment, that has no chance of success.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 03:40:25 PM PDT

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            •  If they fail to impeach, they've still taken (0+ / 0-)

              a stand, delegitimized the ruling in the public eye, and at least giving the Roberts Court a warning.  

              If they don't stand up to it but instead accept it and try to work with it, then totally fail to pass anything tolerable, the maximum possible damage is done with zero attempt to confront the problem.  And if they did pass something, it would be guaranteed to have less protection than what was struck down, still handing Republicans a lawless electoral advantage.

              From a purely pragmatic, game theory perspective, there's no argument whatsoever for the approach you're advocating.

              Assumptions begin with ass and end with shit.

              by Troubadour on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 03:45:52 PM PDT

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              •  There are 201 Democrats in the House (3+ / 0-)
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                If you did a poll and asked them if they thought that the Roberts Five should be impeached for their majority opinion in Shelby I don't think you could get 20 affirmatives. I thought that game theory included probabilities? I think House Democrats would vote 90% to not move to an impeachment investigation. What good does that do? The Democratic members of the House know that the only chance to craft a new Section 4 map is to move forward in a very bipartisan manner. Any suggestion of impeachment would remove any chance of a new Section 4 map.

                "let's talk about that"

                by VClib on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 03:55:13 PM PDT

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                •  I explained what good it does. (0+ / 0-)

                  Impeaching the Justices isn't even the goal - it's just a direction to head in.  The goal is to politically discredit the ruling and the Justices responsible for it, and stop or at least deter subsequent abuses.  We don't have to successfully remove them from the bench for that - just show the possibility, however remote.

                  Assumptions begin with ass and end with shit.

                  by Troubadour on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 03:59:53 PM PDT

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    •  That is indeed a long standing principle (2+ / 0-)
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      It is also a long standing principle that judges should act in good faith to uphold the law and avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety.

      Impeachment is ideally reserved for bribery and other crimes, but we have no other remedy for a rogue Supreme Court.

      Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 01:25:50 PM PDT

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    •  Ah, the voice of reason. (0+ / 0-)

      This coffeetalk must be decaf!

      The patellar reflex is a deep tendon reflex which allows one to keep one's balance with little effort or conscious thought.

      by SpamNunn on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 01:53:01 PM PDT

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