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  •  Book a flight to Kennedy Snowden....and cut the (1+ / 0-)
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    Vicky

    crap.

    •  He can't. (13+ / 0-)

      Because he has no passport, according to this.

      I am wondering if perhaps Ecuador, in granting Snowden's request for political asylum, might be able to issue him an Ecuadoran passport. One of their diplomats could visit him and get the paperwork filled in, I should think. Whatever that is determined to include, per the Ecuadoran government that is granting him asylum.

      At which point Russia could no longer hold him.

      •  I thought they issued (10+ / 0-)

        some kind of provisional "refugee" something, hold on. OKay here. Maybe that's no longer in effect.

        (Reuters) – WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said on Monday that fugitive U.S. spy agency contractor Edward Snowden had received refugee papers from the Ecuador government to secure him safe passage as he fled Hong Kong over the weekend.

        If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

        by Lady Libertine on Wed Jun 26, 2013 at 12:18:59 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, he can go to US if he wants to. (0+ / 0-)

        Even though his passport is canceled he can travel back to US.

        •  No passport, no return (1+ / 0-)
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          That's the rule when a passport is lost or stolen, so it almost certainly applies to revoked passports as well.

          Just imagine the screams about "unfairness" and "injustice" from people stranded abroad who have to visit their consulates and jump through a whole bunch of bureaucratic hoops, if this jerk were allowed to just slink home with no questions asked!

          And even if the US would agree to this, Russia will probably insist on some kind of valid papers before he is allowed to go anywhere else.

          IMHO the only way the US is getting him back is via extradition and under guard - and Russia isn't about to agree to that either.

          Just how much more thoroughly effed up can this story possibly get?

          If it's
          Not your body,
          Then it's
          Not your choice
          And it's
          None of your damn business!

          by TheOtherMaven on Wed Jun 26, 2013 at 04:49:37 PM PDT

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          •  I'm sure US embassy will provide him with (0+ / 0-)

            a travel document they issue to ppl with lost passports. You can only use it to return to your home country. I had to use it once, not much fun.

            •  Unless there's a US embassy in the transit zone, (1+ / 0-)
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              he's not going to be able to get to one. My understanding is that he's not allowed to "enter Russia", properly speaking, because he doesn't have valid papers - because the US government revoked his passport.

              He'd also have to agree to return to the US, and this whole gymkhana has been because he does not want to do that.

              He's not going back voluntarily. So the alternatives to get him back range from "bad optics" to "downright horrible optics".

              It's "bad optics" if Russia throws him out, and they know that.

              It's "downright horrible optics" if the US insists on dragging him back in handcuffs with armed marshals guarding him - but they're NOT smart enough to know that.

              If it's
              Not your body,
              Then it's
              Not your choice
              And it's
              None of your damn business!

              by TheOtherMaven on Wed Jun 26, 2013 at 05:18:48 PM PDT

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              •  Of course he can't go to the actual embassy. (0+ / 0-)

                But it's a special case. They can send a person to him. It's all moot since if he wanted to go to US he wouldn't have left to begin with. There is no way Russia will allow anyone like Snowden to be dragged from its territory to US with armed marshals.

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