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  •  notice the reboots? (2+ / 0-)
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    wonderful world, RiveroftheWest

    Batman and Bond do eventually have Mary Sue problems, even though they generally have strong antagonists (strong antagonists count as another character that is having fun). The reboots are needed to restore balance.

    It's a common problem in long lasting series.

    In both the Aubrey/Maturin and Vorkosigan series, for example, the authors had to stretch to increasingly implausible setbacks to keep the characters from becoming Mary Sues. Same for Pratchett's Vimes/Weatherwax.

    •  In the Vorkosigan series, though (2+ / 0-)
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      wonderful world, RiveroftheWest

      we do get a whole slew of other characters who get to do awesome things.  It has never quite reached ensemble cast level (except possibly in A Civil Campaign), but it's come close.  This is also true in the Batman comics, albeit not so much in the movies.

      And I've never found any of the setbacks or the challenges facing the Vorkosiverse characters to be "increasingly implausible".  Though with Pratchett's Vimes and Weatherwax they have gotten a little repetitive.

      In any case, "we've run out of interesting things for this character/cast to do" is not really a Mary Sue problem.

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