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  •  tens of millions of people (0+ / 0-)

    in the US have no work; have not enough work to make ends meet, much less partake in the consumer economy; work at minimum wage; have given up on finding work.  Nobody really knows exactly how many people that includes.  (I include in the phrase "...people in the US..." all the people here within our border now, documented or not.)

    I have heard that this new bill includes provision for 36 million new immigrants in the next 20 years,  although I can not link to that language, other than another DKos diary by someone.

    I fail to understand how, with our own excess of available labor,  bringing more labor in helps the people already here who need work.

    don't always believe what you think

    by claude on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 11:51:36 AM PDT

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    •  easy. we're not desperate enough yet (0+ / 0-)

      to be willing to compete for jobs with the below-minimum wages of immigrants and the slave-, child-, and impoverished-labor of the poorer world.

      You don't have to worry. Nobody would be taking those jobs anyway: too much hard work, not enough money to live a standard (if reduced) American-style life.


      Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

      by Jim P on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 09:00:44 PM PDT

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      •  and so we become a nation (0+ / 0-)

        of gastarbeiten doing our scut work, because we don't recognize and value such work.

        Untermenschen clean toilets and pick produce and wipe asses, because Americans are too (insert your own adjective here) to do this work, crucial as it is.

        This is a symptom of a diseased society, a badly skewed world-view.

        Is that who we want to be?

        don't always believe what you think

        by claude on Fri Jun 28, 2013 at 08:12:51 AM PDT

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        •  If your rent for one room is $800 a month (0+ / 0-)

          and that's the cheapest rent you can get in your "free market" housing area, and you work 200 hours a month at a $3 an hour job.... how quickly do you jump on that job?

          The problem isn't the immigrants. It's the rentier society we've become. Where honest work is not rewarded; but cheating and gambling is heavily rewarded.


          Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

          by Jim P on Fri Jun 28, 2013 at 09:30:05 AM PDT

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          •  I agree (0+ / 0-)
            The problem isn't the immigrants. It's the rentier society we've become. Where honest work is not rewarded; but cheating and gambling is heavily rewarded.
            So do we enable that rentier society, with all its inequality, by adding more immigrants to the mix?

            If there was no desperate immigrant available to, for instance, clean the sewer, would not simple demand that the work get done lead to someone actually having to pay what the work is worth to an American "Sanitary Engineer" (h/t Ed Norton)?  In other words, allow  the market to actually work?

            In ancient China, it was called "Mandarinism", this disdain for physical work, work with one's hands.  The Mandarins would grow long delicate fingernails as visible public symbols of their distance from such work.   The present manifestation of that is, of course,  the daily fashion show that is called "BUSINESS DRESS", fine suits and delicate fabrics and decorated women.

            Status and appearance have become everything.  This will not end well...

            don't always believe what you think

            by claude on Fri Jun 28, 2013 at 10:47:45 AM PDT

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            •  The rich will be cheap and the immigrants (1+ / 0-)
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              will flock for relative wealth whatever we do officially. The rich will smuggle them in and take the costs out of their pay, if they have to.

              Immigrations is the least of our worries. The ecocide, rule of law murder... it fits in somewhere at like item 150 on the list of things of importance.


              Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

              by Jim P on Fri Jun 28, 2013 at 10:55:07 AM PDT

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