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  •  I think the First Gulf War was more subtle than (2+ / 0-)
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    The Hindsight Times, YucatanMan

    that.  I did not admire George HW Bush for many things, but he really did make a sincere effort to turn the post-Cold War world into a multilateral place where international organizations had more sway. He did make a real effort to build an international coalition with UN blessing for the First Gulf War (though of course nearly all the military forces and commanders were American). That was not out of the goodness of his heart, needless to say---it reflected the genuine efforts by the global corporations to rebuild the world in their own image, and it led directly to the enormous growth in power of international corporate bodies like the WTO and the IMF.  Ironically, HW Bush's internationalist approach was hated by the neocon wing of his own party, which is why he never got the real support of the GOP for re-election and was bounced out--only to have his internationalist vision carried on by Clinton. It wasn't until Dubya took office that the neocons got to run with their "Amerika Ober Alles" anti-internationalist agenda--which is now being carried on by Obama.

    It is very illuminating to look at the very different approaches to the First Gulf War and the Second Gulf War. They were enormous contrasts.

    •  Whatever Bush I's intentions were, (1+ / 0-)
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      the long term stationing of US forces in Saudi Arabia was a major irritant to the Islamic militants and contributed to 9/11

      •  oh, absolutely. the US has always had the rather (2+ / 0-)
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        annoying habit of, once having entered its armed forces into a nation, never leaving.  Ever.

        Heck, we still have troops in Germany and Japan, to "defend" against . . . well . . .  nobody.  (shrug)

      •  Yes, Reagan's arming and encouraging the (1+ / 0-)
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        mujahadeen in Afghanistan set up an infrastructure.  And long term bases in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the Gulf set up the ideological irritant.  The infrastructure and irritated camps soon made contact, worked together and the USA was attacked.

        The fall of the Soviet Union led to USA's ambition not being checked by counter-forces or caution.

        What if we just focused on getting our energy at home and stopping trying to tell everyone in the Middle East how to live their lives?  It could certainly be done, if we cared to even try a little bit.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Fri Jun 28, 2013 at 03:31:19 PM PDT

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