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  •  You are so full of it (1+ / 0-)
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    There is nothing straw man about our Rights!

    And ONE of those rights is for the knowledge that we will not be subjected to an unreasonable search and seizure. Another ONE of those RIGHTS is that we are subjected to Due Process, and another is the right to face an accuser, and another is for the right to privacy, and another is to seek redress from our government. And still another is habeas corpus--the writ damn you!

    When We sign that contract---which I suspect you really don't understand what that is or what it means, you take an oath as part of that contract to uphold the Constitution--some of which is enumerated above.

    But what the NSA and the DOJ, et al have done is wipe their asses with that document. And then you have the wherewithall to A) Pretend that Active Duty Military Personnel Don't have a right to know WHAT is being printed in their own goddamn free press? That the people themselves, don't have a right to confront our own government over this? Are you nuts?

    What country are you from again because I don't believe it's this one.

    Our government is spying on everyone without probable cause, violating our rights, subjecting us to a life that is essentially, parole on an ankle bracelet without due process. And then they pretend that somehow the sacred oath of military service means a goddamn thing in this whole mess.

    The Genie is out of the bottle. The cat is out of the bag. And now we have congressional inquiries about these violations of our laws regarding this egregious series of offenses offered to every American, Active Duty or Vet or Civilian.

    It is appalling to me that you could pretend that any of that behavior is good or healthy for a functional democratic republic, or that you somehow have fooled yourself into thinking that this isn't completely opposed to everything we tell people--WE as a military and as a country are supposed to stand for.

    •  Your ENTIRE argument is strawman. (0+ / 0-)

      I mean, the entire thing. I never once suggested nobody should be given ANY of those rights. Never.

      How about you actually read posts you respond to instead of having some preconceived notion about their content?

      Please proceed, Governor.

      by USArmyParatrooper on Fri Jun 28, 2013 at 10:09:22 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think that word means, what you think it (0+ / 0-)


        Just because Active Duty military personnel give up some of their rights, that is only in part.

        They are still American Citizens.

        Tell me--how do you justify this information bottleneck now that we have an inquiry in the Senate?

        Are we going to keep the members of the Army/Military from reading government websites that deal with this case? Are they allowed to read press releases from their Senators?

        You keep saying strawman like this is an isolated incident. I doubt you have kept track of all of this over the years, and how it has eroded every aspect of our country. Including and most especially how it has eroded even the concept of what people think they are serving for.

        This whole scenario here, is right up there with those instances when political parties throw out the overseas ballots of military members.

        As if they weren't full members of this country, but just servants in every sense of the word. Following lawful orders is one thing. Protecting mission critical information is one thing.

        But blocking their ability to read what is going on in their own country is something else entirely.

        •  What right was taken away? (0+ / 0-)

          Those computers are government property. It's no more a violation of rights than if the company you work for blocks you from accessing Facebook at work. It is THEIR property and while you're working you're on their time.

          Please proceed, Governor.

          by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 09:23:58 AM PDT

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          •  The threat of these programs is knowing who (0+ / 0-)

            visited these sites with their personal PCs. Last time this happened that threat was communicated and it reached the public. This time its been a bit more cautious, but I have no doubt that nothing has changed.

            The DoD issue now will be a "warning" sign about visiting on private pcs and handheld devices, you wait and see.

            And once again--Keeping people off of FB? That's the straw man.

            I am talking about the news here. This follows a pattern and not a good one, in which a current and the previous administration abused the notion of secret, classified and sensitive categories in order to silence the people, scare them from speaking out over abuses of the government.

            Even a military person has the right to do that, within certain paradigms. And no Service Member should be blocked from reading the News in and about their own country, especially not news that is being taken up by a quarter of the Senate, and used for an inquiry that will affect our freedoms at a fundamental level.

            •  You're really reaching here. (0+ / 0-)

              A place of employment can tell you not to visit ANY websites that don't pertain to work, and it's still not a violation of rights.

              If the best argument you can come up with some hypothetical thing that hasn't happened, then you have nothing.

              A place of employment has every right to dictate how and for what you use their property, which includes computers and communication devices.

              Please proceed, Governor.

              by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 10:17:57 AM PDT

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              •  No--I am not reaching here--You are just ignorant (0+ / 0-)

                about what's actually going on. When the government has the ability to track every electronic device with internet access, and hold that information indefinitely, and has in the past threatened federal employees and people who might wish to some day work for the federal government [and that includes the DoD] with retaliation for visiting news sites that hold leaked material, then Houston we have a problem.

                And Isolating Military members overseas, deployed on boats, etc., if per chance they are restricted to reading the news on machines--well isn't that a captive audience.

                We aren't talking porn here. Or silliness.

                We are discussing how this government has violated our most fundamental freedoms and has used threats and coercion to chill--any attempt to examine leaked material in the past and offer commentary that would normally fall under protected speech.

                But you know I get the feeling you don't care. That you don't understand that being in the service isn't about disengaging your mind.

                You seem too cozy with the notion that Military Personnel should be blocked from reading Political News about their own Government.

                Well--everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and I just happen to believe that yours stinks.

                •  You know what, you're right! (0+ / 0-)

                  I think service members, say, a currently serving active duty Paratrooper with 3rd Brigade 82nd Airborne Division should be allowed to discuss political opinion on websites like Dailykos.

                  I think (that hypothetical Paratrooper) should absolutely have access to news sites like the Guardian UK.


                  Or this one.


                  Or visit the sites of political figures of all ideologies


                  It's a shame active duty service members can't go on a high profile liberal website, access said webpages and post links to them without fear of the boogieman.

                  Your move.

                  Please proceed, Governor.

                  by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 05:17:50 PM PDT

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