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  •  Driving the train toward the broken trestle... (2+ / 0-)
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    that's it really, not post-Titanic but pre...meanwhile almost half of America just doesn't get it (how could they not?) and as long as they don't we and the planet are held hostage.  I suppose from the viewpoint of the rest of the biosphere the loss of humanity is no big thing, but from the viewpoint of the noosphere?  What?  Gone, forever, possibly the only consciousness in the multiverse?  Is this what happens to all of them?  Is this what Babel and The Flood were about?

    •  This analogy doesn't work either ... (7+ / 0-)

      because we already are facing very serious consequences/damage and even our best efforts will be for limited, rather than preventing, future damage and for setting us on a path toward some form(s) of remediation.

      We have species that have gone extinct ... there will be more. If we are serious in our actions (and more than a bit lucky), we can reduce how many.

      We have lost land and homes and infrastructure to climate disruption-related damage ... there will be more. If we are serious in our actions (and more than a bit lucky), we can reduce how many.

      There are climate refugees ... there will be more. If we are serious in our actions (and more than a bit lucky), we can reduce how many.

      People have died due to climate disruption ... there will be more. If we are serious in our actions (and more than a bit lucky), we can reduce how many.

      If we are serious in our actions (and more than a bit lucky), we will chart a course with mitigation, adaptation, and remediation that has a planetary system 50 years from now that can support humanity (modern human civilization, hopefully more truly modern than today's) and is on a path to be able to better support humanity 100 years from now.

      If we are lucky

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      by A Siegel on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 02:55:45 PM PDT

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      •  It ain't luck that will do it. If anything can, or (3+ / 0-)
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        will.

        It will come down to suckers who are willing to "live small," to live simply that others may simply live. While the fuckers who suck all the goodness and energy and life out of the planet continue to "live very, very, very large."

        We got a developer here in Tampa Bay who has a maybe 40,000 square foot "home" with acres of perfectly landscaped estate, with lots of "water features." My wife and I live on a boat with solar power and use maybe 120 gallons of potable water a week for all purposes. This guy's "lifestyle" uses millions of gallons a month. There was actually a newspaper article where a reporter asked him how he could justify that. Simple answer: "Because I can AFFORD it." He also gets reduced rates, for water and for electricity too, because he is a "large quantity user."

        Are you familiar with the back story in "Soylent Green?"

        "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

        by jm214 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 05:07:28 PM PDT

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        •  As to "I can afford it ..." (3+ / 0-)
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          Have you see Queen of Versailles?  Sounds very similar.  By the way, do you have link to that article?

          And, well, more than just individual choice -- standards, investing in innovation & infrastructure, etc ... There is a 'top down' just as "bottom up" set of requirements.

          And, yes, there is 'luck' involved: we can't be sure that even the most serious of actions will be enough to forestall uncontrollable positive feedback cycles with release of Arctic methane from permafrost, methane burps from the oceans, mass die-offs from ocean acidification, etc ... We need to be acting seriously with, well, our fingers crossed that "seriously" will be enough to forestall utter catastrophe.

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          by A Siegel on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 08:03:35 PM PDT

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          •  Here's a more recent one, for starters. The other (0+ / 0-)

            which I did not bookmark was in a "style" section from several years ago that the Tampa Bay paper does not do a very good job of indexing into googlespace. I will keep looking.

            http://www.tampabay.com/...

            "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

            by jm214 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 05:13:44 AM PDT

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