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  •  Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a real (3+ / 0-)
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    diagnosable personality disorder, and I'm tired of people tossing around the word "narcissist" to define anyone they think is evil.

    Please reconsider using that term here, unless you have a solid reason (or evidence of a diagnosis?) to do so.  Much like overusing the word "depression" I think it devalues the plight of both patients and their loved ones (and people in their lives dealing with the often painful fallout.)

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    by Eileen B on Fri Jun 28, 2013 at 09:35:00 PM PDT

    •  Eileen, the original press releases this past week (13+ / 0-)

      or so were quoting numerous sources within the government as describing Snowden as a Narcissist.  It is for that reason, I have used "narcissism" in the title of the post, and briefly addressed the labeling of Snowden in the body of the post.

      •  That's ok by me; quoting other people is (4+ / 0-)
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        not what I take issue with. It's the fact that you go on to say this...which really makes no sense unless you've redefined the word narcissist....

        Ask yourselves who the real narcissists are here.  Is it the 30 year old techno geek who spilled the beans on their massive spy operation?  Or are they the faceless organizations of the CIA, the NSA, the Carlyle Group, Halliburton, and the myriad other corporations and geniuses that know only the relentless quest for the extermination of their enemies and the acquisition of power?
        I lived with somebody who was diagnosed with NPD. Trust me, a "relentless quest for the extermination of their enemies" isn't part of the diagnostic metric.

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        by Eileen B on Fri Jun 28, 2013 at 09:52:10 PM PDT

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        •  I will try to be more accurate in the future. (3+ / 0-)
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        •  Personally, I think it's silly to limit the term (9+ / 0-)

          narcissist to a "diagnostic metric".

          First because psychiatry isn't hallowed ground, and has often colluded with political power to insure the oppression of those who don't fit into the boxes of acceptable humans that power tries to erect.  For example, diagnosing women with "hysterical personality disorder" for the thought crime of assuming women should have the right to vote, etc....

          Secondly, restricting the term "narcissist" to it's "medically valid" use robs us of it's original literate/metaphorical use.  

          But whatever.

          •  Well, it's not just silly, it's wrong (6+ / 0-)

            in a technical sense; the word narcissist is not restricted to persons who have been diagnosed with NPD.

            From Wikipedia, a simple explanation:

            Narcissism is a term that originated with Narcissus in Greek mythology who fell in love with his own image reflected in a pool of water. Currently it is used to describe a person characterized by egotism, vanity, pride, or selfishness. Narcissism has included particular meanings in specific fields:

            A concept in psychoanalytic theory, introduced in Sigmund Freud's On Narcissism

            An Axis II disorder, Narcissistic personality disorder, in DSM-IV

            A social or cultural problem

            A factor in trait theory used in some self-report inventories of personality such as the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory

            Except in the sense of primary narcissism or healthy self-love, narcissism is usually considered a problem in a person or group's relationships with self and others.

            It's pretty clear that when people say a person like Snowden is being narcissistic, they mean it in this sense and -- whether you agree with the opinion or not -- the word usage is perfectly valid for what they mean to say, speaking of  their impression of his actions, some of his statements, and his overall behavior.

            I also think your observations on the whole "diagnosis" and the way everything can be turned into a "disorder" is right on - I find the trend increasingly disturbing and problematic.

    •  Here, I'll help. (6+ / 0-)

      Here's what I think you're referring to?

      Bob Schieffer on Edward Snowden on Sunday's "Face the Nation"

      "I think what we have in Edward Snowden is just a narcissistic young man who has decided he is smarter than the rest of us. I don’t know what he is beyond that, but he is no hero. If he has a valid point—and I’m not even sure he does—he would greatly help his cause by voluntarily coming home to face the consequences."

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      by Eileen B on Fri Jun 28, 2013 at 09:41:37 PM PDT

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