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  •  With great difficulty and all due respect... (3+ / 0-)

    I suffer from that guy thing. At times I have trouble wrapping words around strong emotions. That makes this difficult. That leads me to an anger that has a component of frustration at times.

    We're talking about soul rending and existential threatening experiences. I guess that's where the "semi-religious notion" comes in. The soul rending is a shorthand that I think most of us understand. To put it into other terms might require a Ph.D in psychology. The existential threat comes not from an armed enemy but from surviving the external threat while others have not. I think the suicide rate among vets is connected to both.

    As to empathy, I'll allow the possibility that some may be born with such a capacity but I'm not certain that's true in the context of this discussion. The experience doesn't have to be the same but I think those who share a soul rending and existential threat have something in common that others do not. There are some people who will never sit and listen to a vet speak of his experience or his thoughts and emotions that bring tears to his eyes simply because it's highly unlikely the necessary level of trust that would lead to such a discussion would never be established.

    Some of the comments to this diary have been very painful and I have lost all respect for those who have been so judgmental without any knowledge or experience in the matter at hand.

    Damn, I wish I were a wordsmith.

    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 12:41:25 PM PDT

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      highly unlikely the necessary level of trust that would lead to such a discussion would never be established.
      highly unlikely the necessary level of trust that would lead to such a discussion would ever be established.

      Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

      by Just Bob on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 02:14:56 PM PDT

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    •  I think you expressed it well enough, (1+ / 0-)
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      although in reality, the 'suffering' part of my comment was aimed at the notion of going to jail for refusing to take up arms, not at understanding PTSD or other trauma-related issues.  

      I noticed the same sense being expressed in various 'Snowden' diaries, that unless he would willingly throw himself into the arms of the US 'justice' system, that it somehow diminished the worth of his actions, or made him less credible.  And although I understand that that is a tactic that was used by civil rights crusaders, I'm not sure I agree with the 'willing' part, because that, to me, actually seems to bolster the notion that you're doing something that is wrong, rather than being penalized for trying to do what you feel is right.

      Being willing to risk jail, and even going to jail, to me, is distinct from saying you are 'willingly' going to jail.  I think I would say I am willing to stand up for what I believe, but that even if jailed, I would maintain that it was an injustice that served no purpose other than to punish me for daring to disagree with whatever law was 'broken'.  It would neither undo whatever I had done, nor change my stance on such a law, so it would be purposeless imprisonment.  And as such, I certainly don't see why Snowden, or anyone else, should want go to jail for breaking such laws if other options are open to them.

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