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    •  You get his math, right? (6+ / 0-)

      He said 90% of suspects are identified as either black or Hispanic and 87% of stop and frisk stops are done on blacks or Hispanics...so his statement is factually correct.  

      The question we should be asking is how successful is the stop and frisk program and do the results justify the embarassment to the people getting singled out for the stopping and the frisking.

      "If Jesus had a gun he'd still be alive today." Homer Simpson, 2013

      by quiet in NC on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 09:40:11 AM PDT

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      •  Factually correct (4+ / 0-)

        an also has zero to do with the issue beyond the proximity of "white", "black" and something to do with crime.  He may almost as well have made the factually correct statement that the sky is blue.

        Stop and frisks aren't done in order to catch at-large murder suspects and only at-large murder suspects.

      •  Factually correct but completely missing the point (2+ / 0-)
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        Seems that he made a factually correct (?) but completely irrelevant statement.  He might as well have compared % for people with driver's licenses to the stop and frisk %?  

        Btw, I love this quote from the article: "when the New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) released statistics showing police conducted more stops of black males between the ages of 14 and 24 than the total number of young black males living in New York City."

        Clearly they need to step that up.  

        I hate that the article didn't even try to explain if the actual quote was factual or how it could be considered factual.  

      •  No, that's still the wrong question. (0+ / 0-)

        I think it's probably very effective.  People don't go out with guns with bad intent if they think they're more likely to be stopped and frisked. I think the real question is whether that makes it OK.  I'm on Bloomberg's side there, but to me that's the real issue.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 01:38:53 PM PDT

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        •  White people do more financial crimes. (3+ / 0-)
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          How'd you like to be tossed for your smartphone/ticker app/and/or laptop.  Morning/Noon/Night.
          Oh and you have a WALLET?

          "Hands up.  Bitch.  We're COPS looking for evidence of financial activity... you fucking MUTT."
          I'm minding my own business.  Everyone has a smartphone and a laptop.  You ASKED me for my wallet and ID.
          "Now you giving us shit mutherfucker?  How'd you like a beat-down and a free night in Rikers?"
          Yeah, Bloomberg & Kelly's teh awesome all right.

          The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.” ~ Joseph Heller, Catch-22

          by 43north on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 06:39:46 PM PDT

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      •  Critical term too is "suspects." (6+ / 0-)

        Cop wanna be George Zimmerman called Trayvon Martin a "suspect." Seattle PD beat up a Latino who happened to be innocently walking in the proximity of another crime a "suspect."

        How often are perfectly innocent minority males called "suspects" right up until the time they're released because there is no evidence linking them to the crime in question?

        So a murder suspect isn't necessarily a bad guy but simply someone NYPD brought in for further questioning.

        Seems to me that in the same situation, the term "person of interest" is used on white people a whole heck of a lot more frequently.

        His math may be accurate. I'm thinking there is serious racial bias in the language.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 01:46:48 PM PDT

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