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  •  I Often Mention This Here When Talking Cars (4+ / 0-)

    I am a huge fan of the BBC show Top Gear. Generally speaking they review "super cars." But more then a few times they will review a compact. They often cost under $20,000 and get 60+ MPG. Usually Diesel.

    When I hear pols debate CAFE standards here they seem to say Ford and GM can't make cars that get 60 MPG. That was why I was CONFUSED that these cars Top Gear reviews are often made by Ford and GM. They are making these cars right NOW. We just can't buy them here.

    Something I will NEVER understand.

    •  partly, Britain uses imperial gallons (1+ / 0-)
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      So, 60 MPG in Britain is 50 MPG in the U.S.

      But it's true that there are cars sold in Europe that we can't buy over here.

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      by HudsonValleyMark on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 12:44:19 PM PDT

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      •  Really? I thought they had switched (0+ / 0-)

        to the metric system!

        I suspect that the 60 mpg must be converted from liters/100 km (or whatever the exact way they measure fuel economy over there) so as to avoid hopelessly confusing an American Audience (so it probably really is 60 mpg).

        My understanding of the "problem" is that cars cost about 40% more over there than here, so such vehicles would not be cost competitive in the USA and would have only tiny niche markets (similar to the VOLT)

        •  I think hopeless confusion is a given :) (1+ / 0-)
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          It depends on the intended audience, and also on whether the writer understand that! Just as a reference point:

          Back in 1989 – when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, US President Ronald Reagan left the White House in January,  and the fall of the Berlin Wall in November marked the end of the Cold War,  unleaded petrol was around a third of the price today at  38.5p a litre ( £1.75 a gallon) compared to 134.2p a litre  (£6.10 per gallon) today.

          Daily Mail, June 10

          Note that those prices entail 4.54 liters per gallon -- that's the imperial gallon. I don't know if the pumps have all converted to liters by now, but apparently the brains haven't!

          All that said, the ECOnetic apparently does claim 65 mpg US or 78.5 mpg imperial. Here's a reviewer who comments on his driving test:

          Economy? I've been managing a figure well into the sixties and that's with a fair smattering of urban driving and also travelling four-up. Okay, so it's not 78.5mpg but I'm still impressed.
          "Well into the sixties" would be well over 50 U.S., which would be pretty great with a "fair smattering of urban driving."

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          by HudsonValleyMark on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 01:31:27 PM PDT

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          •  Yes confusion abounds!! (0+ / 0-)

            For example, an imperial quart has 40 ounces, meaning an imperial gallon has 160 ounces (that's all on line!)

            And a US quart has 32 ounces, and a gallon has 128 ounces.

            So, you'd think you could compare an imperial gallon with a US gallon and find out that it is 1.25x larger (exactly) - i.e., 160/128 ounces.

            But if you first convert to liters to do this comparison, the numbers gets screwed up - i.e., 4.54 liters (an imperial gallon) divided by 3.78 liters (a US gallon) means that an imperial gallon is only ~1.201x larger.

            Strange strange stuff!

            Unless you consider that a US ounce is 1.04084x larger than an imperial ounce.  Really who came up with * that * !?!

    •  It's not that hard to understand. (2+ / 0-)
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      The US auto industry has a lot of investment in the oil industry, and visa versa. The oil industry just invested billions in equipment and refineries so that they can handle turning sour crude--like that coming from Canadian Tar Sands--into gasoline. In order for these investments to pay off the price of oil must stay high--above $80 a barrel and higher. So demand for gasoline must not go down. Otherwise, the Canadian Tars Sands and all the pipelines and all the equipment are not worth the investment.
      It's sad that so much of the public have been bamboozled my most of the corporate media that projects like KXL are needed to lower the price of gasoline. When the exact opposite would happen. The Tar Sands are a very expensive source of oil.

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      by pat bunny on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 12:45:45 PM PDT

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    •  European fuel economy tests are much more (1+ / 0-)
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      forgiving and they have much more lenient emissions requirements.  That being said, diesel is more fuel efficient to some extent than gasoline, though half of those benefits are because diesel is just denser and carries more energy per gallon.  The CO2 emissions benefits of diesel are usually half of the fuel economy benefits because of this.  In addition, Europeans buy smaller cars and fuel efficiency pays off faster due to higher fuel taxes over there, so you see it implemented to a further extent than in the USA.  

      •  I driven diesels in Europe (2+ / 0-)
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        Theoleman, Egalitare

        Their real world mileage is very good.

        The last time I was in France our rental was a BMW 320D that got fantastic mileage even running at French highway speeds which are usually well above the 130 kph (80 mph) posted speed limit.

        It was a manual transmission car and I thought I'd stalled it at the first traffic light. Turns out it had a stop-start feature that shut the engine down when stopped. Depressing the clutch would cause it to restart.

        If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

        by Major Kong on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 02:31:03 PM PDT

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