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  •  I was never intending to defend (0+ / 0-)

    Scientific Materialism.  I do not share your particular gripe with it, but as far as I can tell this is all tangential to the point I was making in my essay.  That said, I do not agree with

    'determinism' means nothing because it is indistinguishable from non-deterministic systems
    computers are deterministic; radioactive nuclei decay are non-deterministic, at least from our human point of view, So these are distinguishable.
    'Scientific Materialists' have an inadequately simplistic world-view.
    I agree but for different reasons.
    If you want to call the 'determinism' and state that there is no way to be part of a system and have 'free will'
    I never said that. i said this:
    how can you have free will if the physics of your body is deterministic? Nothing more, nothing less.
    I think that is all I have to say.  I wish you well in your endeavors.
    •  Ok, well, "How can you have free will?" (0+ / 0-)

      Implying 'free will' doesn't exist for any reason (god, the physics of your body is deterministic, whatever) doesn't mean anything if you cannot describe a condition in which free-will exists.

      And simply saying free-will could exist if god did not exist and physics were not deterministic doesn't mean anything if you cannot describe how a non-deterministic system differs from a deterministic system.

      And, if you need a loop-hole: the physics of the body is deterministic (as-if that means anything), but the physics of the mind is not.  I can act a-causally and perform a real action now based on perceived future events.  It is hardly a deterministic process.

      To any wingnut: If you pay my taxes I'll give you a job.

      by ban48 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:00:18 AM PDT

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    •  Or, a different angle: (0+ / 0-)

      you say:

      how can you have free will if the physics of your body is deterministic? Nothing more, nothing less.
      without ever answering:
      how can you have free will?
      Saying we don't have free-will implies there is something else (god's will, 'determination', whatever) or the statement is meaningless.  If you cannot describe the difference between having 'free-will' and not (due to whatever), you might as well be saying we lack free-will because of peanut-butter.  The cause and the effect are meaningless.

      To any wingnut: If you pay my taxes I'll give you a job.

      by ban48 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 07:49:22 AM PDT

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