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  •  The Euro Gendamres (3+ / 0-)
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    bruh1, Kickemout, JesseCW

    will be landing at the Hamptons just any day now.

    •  You can be glib... (0+ / 0-)

      the norm at DKos it seems, but it does not change the fact that your statement was inaccurate.

      Increasingly, the EU police and security interest will take hold.

      Do you deny that this was a pillar of the EC and is a competency of the EU?

      •  Military security (4+ / 0-)
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        corvo, Enzo Valenzetti, lotlizard, JesseCW

        is not a competency of the EU. That function was always placed with NATO. They are separate organizations, with NATO being a creature of the US.

        •  You are 100% wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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          Pillars of the European Union

          The Treaty of Maastricht (1992) introduced a new institutional structure which remained until the entry into force of the Treaty of Lisbon. This institutional structure was composed of three “pillars”:

              the Community pillar, which corresponded to the three Communities: the European Community, the European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom) and the former European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) (first pillar);
              the pillar devoted to the common foreign and security policy, which came under Title V of the Treaty on European Union (second pillar);
              the pillar devoted to police and judicial cooperation in criminal matters, which came under Title VI of the Treaty on European Union (third pillar);


          The Treaty of Lisbon abolished this pillar structure in favour of creating the European Union (EU). Within the EU, decisions are taken in accordance with a procedure of common law, called the “ordinary legislative procedure”. However, the intergovernmental method continues to apply to the Common Foreign and Security Policy.


          In a joint declaration by both the EU and NATO during 2002, a previously slightly confused relationship was clarified under a number of major headings that included partnership, mutual cooperation and consultation, equality and due regard for the autonomy of both the EU and NATO, plus reinforcing and developing the military capability of both organisations.

          That link also shows the current EU military operations.

          In other words, you are not just glib, but spreading disinformation.

          •  Pillar is a meaningless term (0+ / 0-)

            when it comes to military power. The US calls the shots with NATO.

            •  NATO is NOT the EU, however... (0+ / 0-)

              despite that you seem to want this to be about NATO and the big bad US hegemony of NATO.

              The states that created the EC and EU did and still do see a significant security component that is autonomous from NATO.

              That is a fact. To YOU pillar may be meaningless, but you do not speak for them, their treaties do.

              •  The issue addressed in this diary (2+ / 0-)
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                congenitalefty, JesseCW

                is that the EU in no way poses a military threat to the national security of the US. I'm not interested in the splitting of hairs that are completely unrealated to that matter.

                •  I replied to an assertion YOU made... (0+ / 0-)

                  in the comments that was, in my opinion, disinformation!

                  I supplied sourcing to show this, as opposed to your glib and conclusory remarks.

                  And I left a comment related to the diary elsewhere.

                  Who cares if the EU poses a military threat to us? You take the intelligence where you find it.

                  I seriously doubt that this will have the dire effect attributed, except now the people who did not like us in the first place will be more circumspect.

    •  The arguments are increasing bizare (6+ / 0-)

      as far as juistifying the US action here

      Its almost like they have a vested interest in spin

      •  Masks are definitely slipping. (3+ / 0-)
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        JesseCW, katiec, Tam in CA

        When did Democrats in Idaho stop nominating straight talking, hard hitting characters like Frank Church and winning elections?

        Frank Church, a guy who was actually interested in getting to the bottom of things and informing the public? A guy who wouldn't play ball with any Washington bipartisan coverup crew?

        Watch this Bill Moyers documentary made during the Reagan administration, called Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis.

        Then reflect on the present moment again. We're Democrats, this is Daily Kos. Isn't it creepy to hear echoes here of Haldeman, Ehrlichman, and Ollie North?

        The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ☮ ♥ ☺

        by lotlizard on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 01:32:33 PM PDT

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