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  •  Richard (1+ / 0-)
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    Garrett

    You and I have interacted enough lately for you to know that I am not an NSA cheerleader.  But I gotta say, I think spying on allies is a long and glorious tradition for pretty much everybody.

    Simply put, all the major industrial countries are spying like motherfuckers against all the others, and have for a long time.

    Now, the US got caught, so everybody else will call us on it--cause they can.  The first rule of espionage is 'don't get caught'.  So, we will take our licks on all that.

    Now, there is one difference between spying now and spying 30 years ago.  Rather than targeting our allies' leaders, we now are pretty much sucking up every phone call from pretty much everyone.  Its no longer just the undersecretary of commerce...its Jacgues who runs the corner shop.  

    That is, Jacques is gonna about as pissed at the NSA as I am, for pretty much the same reason.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 01:16:06 PM PDT

    •  As I said in the diary (3+ / 0-)
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      Empty Vessel, emal, fran1

      I will concede that some amount of intelligence is necessary. What has gotten out of control is the range and scope of it.  

      •  As I have been told by some (0+ / 0-)

        Diplomat friends, trade negotiations between the US and other countries are like a game of poker in which one side is playing with their cards up on the table.

        That is, the US can often bluff (keep its cards hidden), but the other country cannot.  The other country can still win, but its a lot harder.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 01:30:35 PM PDT

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