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  •  As a champion of the al-Nusra Front (0+ / 0-)

    your chiming in with paeans to "democracy" ring mighty hollow.  You DO grasp this, no?

    "You may very well think so, I could not possibly comment." ~ Francis Urquhart, pragmatic political philosopher

    by ActivistGuy on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 05:58:25 PM PDT

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    •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

      I just don't see al-Nusra as the supposedly insurmountable Just-As-Bad-As-Assad obstacle to democratization you and some others like to pretend they are.  

      •  Guess you haven't been keeping up on al-Raqqah (0+ / 0-)

        There is a very big pushback from the local people against how Al-Nusra is running things in its "liberated" territories.
        Hear about the kid shot in front of his parents for "blasphemy"? The anti-al-Nusra demonstrations? The Syrian people liked them when they drove out Assad's army -- they do not like them telling them how to run their lives.

        Ash-sha'b yurid isqat an-nizzam!

        by fourthcornerman on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 02:50:18 AM PDT

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    •  OK, I'm opting out of this discussion b/c (0+ / 0-)

      I don't know nearly enough about Egypt's internal politics to say anything of value. killjoy's statement above, on the face of it, sounded reasonable so I rec'd it. But your comment made it clear to me I don't know enough to know whether to rec things or no! So I'll just be listening from here on out. :-)

      Sorry if I unintentionally rec'd something which is anti-democracy, but I don't know enough to be able to tell whether I did or not. Certainly the people in the streets in Cairo have my best wishes.

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 05:10:55 AM PDT

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      •  AG is a purist (0+ / 0-)

        who is willing to keep Assad in power in Syria if al Nusra is involved in his toppling.   Because Moscow-backed media tell him that al Nusra and few singleton rebel atrocities in a country full of them is worse than Assad's killing of several thousand civilians a week to keep the opposition-backing population cowed and in fear of their lives.  Or, he's just not a strong backer of democratization.

        It was off topic of him.  The power of al Nusra is also substantially overrated.  It's a p.r. wedge issue to split rebellion supporters employed by people who don't want it to succeed.

        •  What I'm worried about in Syria (0+ / 0-)

          is not a few atrocities--as you rightly point out, Assad has committed far more, not that any atrocities are really OK, but nonetheless, Assad is a bigger problem in that regard--but the apparent disorganization, sometimes to the point of chaos, on the other side. I worry that the U.S. is just going to assume that they know what's what and go in there with a heavy handed knee jerk reaction before they really understand what's happening. Because what I heard--quite possibly wrong--is that even people on the ground there are not always sure how the alliances are holding up, or even, sometimes, what faction a given person or group serves.

          then you throw in McCain getting his picture taken with a guy responsible for kidnapping 11 people and I think, Oh, God, we're bumbling in to a situation we don't understand full bore again, and it's going to lead to nothing good.

          Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 10:32:16 AM PDT

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