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  •  No, his reputation was damaged (6+ / 0-)

    Whether or not he is guilty of rape, does nothing to change the facts of what Wikileaks revealed or the good they did providing the means.

    As I note elsewhere, JA is not my favorite person and I have argued for his accountability on rape allegations (they are just that) on this site on numerous occasions, but that does not negate some good he has done either.

    You could say the same for Bill Clinton and Thomas Jefferson and numerous other people.

    400ppm : what about my daughter's future?

    by koNko on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 06:51:13 PM PDT

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    •  The fact that he has no credibility (0+ / 0-)

      makes it difficult for him to "shred" someone else's.

      He's clearly very unethical and the fact that some here are praising him speaks poorly of their own ethics and/or judgment.

      •  so, the leaks were faked? (1+ / 0-)
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        anything short of that renders this entire credibility argument completely moot. Irrelevant. A non sequiter.

        If the information provided by Assange, Manning, Snowden, Tice, et al is accurate, please, please, please explain in simple terms how the character of each of these people means their revelations are unimportant or somehow tainted.

        Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

        by kamarvt on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:01:07 AM PDT

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        •  irrelevant? (0+ / 0-)

          So your argument is that one's credibility and character has no bearing on the respectability of one's argument. That's laughable.

          Assange, Snowden, et al are not just reporting the news, they are editorializing about what it "means." There is plenty of reason to doubt their spin since they came in with an agenda. The fact that Assange is a fugitive goes even further to call his characterization of events into doubt. It's foolish to not take what they say with a grain of salt.

          If character is irrelevent, perhaps we should believe everything that Dick Cheney says about how the Iraq war kept us safe.

          •  I don't listen to them. Why do you? (1+ / 0-)
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            I am utterly unconcerned with any spin someone wishes to put on  this major international story. I am well educated, literate, and make a point of coming to my own conclusions based on the most solid evidence I can find.
            None of this requires liking the personal behavior of those who disclose information.

            IF this were a case of two competing "arguments' along the lines of;
            "You guys were spying where you shouldn't be"
            "No we weren't. you're trying to make money off this and it's baloney"
            THEN there might be a reason to consider the source and relegate their disclosed information to the grain of salt bin.

            But that is not what is happening here.
            Your attempt to equate this with the proven lies that Cheney told is nonsense. Had Dick Cheney revealed this spy program (yeah, right) I would absolutely take it seriously, and react exactly as i have if the allegations were credible, as they are. The iraq war lies were never credible. The example fails.

            If Saddam Hussein had brought this info to light, I would have no different reaction than I do to the actual reality of it.
            Hell, I'll even stipulate it; Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are the WORST PEOPLE EVER.
            They suck at being human beings.

            Now, can we please move beyond the messenger and start to figure out what to do about a rogue govt agency and a network of poorly vetted, for-profit contractors that have undermined all of our alliances and flouted the Constitution, at a bare minimum?
            Cuz I'm an idiot, see, and I think that massive government overreach is a bigger problem, more impactful on my life, my political speech, and my quality of life than whether or not the people who rat them out are good or bad.
            you can either waste your time repeating to me why I should ignore the substance of the information and stick pins in Assange dolls, or voice your thoughts on the actions and policies that have been outed.

            Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

            by kamarvt on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 11:06:50 AM PDT

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          •  "Wagner is evil, therefore his music is no good" (0+ / 0-)

            Try that on an opera buff, if you don't mind their laughing in your face.

            If it's
            Not your body,
            Then it's
            Not your choice
            And it's
            None of your damn business!

            by TheOtherMaven on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 07:40:54 PM PDT

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