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  •  but... (9+ / 0-)
    The US spying scandal deepened today as Secretary of State John Kerry said it is 'not unusual' for governments to bug the offices of their allies
    •  oops, forgot the link (5+ / 0-)
      Kerry said: 'I will say that every country in the world that is engaged in international affairs and national security undertakes lots of activities to protect its national security and all kinds of information contributes to that. All I know is that is not unusual for lots of nations.'
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    •  Kerry's placating words ring hollow (3+ / 0-)
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      against the words of the leaders of the leaders of several major European countries and the EU.  The conference for the trade agreement begins one week from today.  Let's see what time brings.

      (And -- you're joking, right, LD?)

      •  Yeah that was a very (5+ / 0-)

        sarcastic 'but'.

        I have no idea how Kerry thought such a statement would help things.

        Makes me sick that everything is always in the name of 'security'. Totally over that line from Republicans, dont need it from Dems.

        •  European & EU leaders share your view (7+ / 0-)

          The Guardian has just published an article summarizing the reactions of leaders of European nations and the EU to last week's disclosures.  The article contains phrases like "a sense of naked outrage swept across Europe'.

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

          The leaders of Germany and France have rounded angrily on the US for the first time over spying claims, signalling that ambitious EU-US trade talks scheduled to open next week could become an early casualty of the burgeoning transatlantic espionage dispute.

          The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and French president, François Hollande, described the disclosures of massive US spying and snooping in Europe as unacceptable, with the Germans suggesting there had to be mutual trust if the trade talks were to go ahead in Washington on Monday.

          Merkel delivered her severest warning yet on the National Security Agency debacle. "We are no longer in the cold war," her spokesman, Steffen Seibert, said. "If it is confirmed that diplomatic representations of the European Union and individual European countries have been spied upon, we will clearly say that bugging friends is unacceptable."

          [...]

          [Outrage also expressed by France's Hollande, EU leaders from various countries/parties, Luexembourg, Austria]

          A sense of naked outrage gathered momentum across Europe at the reports that US agencies were bugging and tapping EU offices in Washington and New York, as well as the embassies of several EU member states. The push for clear answers from the Americans threatened to derail long-awaited talks on a transatlantic free trade pact between the US and the EU to create the world's biggest free-trade area.

          "Washington is shooting itself in the foot," said Germany's conservative Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper. "Declaring the EU offices to be a legitimate attack target is more than the unfriendly act of a machine that knows no bounds and may be out of the control of politics and the courts."

          [EU leader Schulz is quoted --]

          "On the other hand, with this affair or not, the United States of America and Europeans remain … strategic allies. Therefore it is shocking that the United States take measures against their most important and nearest allies, comparable to measures taken in the past by the KGB, by the secret service of the Soviet Union."

          [...]

          "The Americans justify everything with combatting terrorism," said the Luxembourg foreign minister, Jean Asselborn, who on Sunday described the latest allegations as disgusting. "The EU and its diplomats are not terrorists."

          [...]

          The final sentence of the article:]

          France's justice minister, Christiane Taubira, said, if confirmed, the US behaviour was of unspeakable hostility.

      •  How could they do otherwise? (5+ / 0-)

        There are no words that wouldn't ring hollow except perhaps:  we were wrong. here are the concrete ways we're going to change it.

        Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:57:18 AM PDT

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        •  The trade-treaty conference set for 7/8 in DC (6+ / 0-)

          Kinda thinkin' it would be kinda cool if all EU/Europe participants called in the night before with the flu.  'Sorry about the late notice.  Yeah, I know, all that catering will go to waste.  And all your security preparations -- well, see, that might be part of the reason I can't stop puking.  Just fax the documents to my assistant, would you?'

          Or if they all came, but then switched hotels and engaged in some Code Pink-type political theater.  Like gathering on the Mall to pull the cards from their cell phones and crush them (phones & cells) underfoot.  Like wearing signs around their necks saying 'Can't talk, due to US spying'.  Like responding to every question in the talks with 'Would love to talk about it if I weren't being spied on' (this would be especially nice if all reps would answer this in unison, no matter who had been spoken to).

          Or just do the extremely cool European slow-clap, slow-stomp, chanting 'NSA/KGB' from the beginning to the end of each session.

          The creative possibilities are endless.

    •  Way to go Kerry. (4+ / 0-)

      And, oh, by the way, we need to turn the world upside down to arrest Snowden for telling us exactly what you just said.

      You know, they're not doing this to protect America.  They're doing this to punish people that fuck with their jobs by informing the American people.

      •  There's a lot of money to be made... (1+ / 0-)
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        in industrial espionage.  I don't doubt there are some corporate interests here besides just the act of espionage, there is a sink for this information and it isn't to protect us, unless 'us' is corporate interests.

        If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. Albert Einstein

        by kharma on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 09:46:45 AM PDT

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      •  informing the world (1+ / 0-)
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        it's ironic that the US military 'intelligence' agencies (all the spooks) is being used for these too big to fail multinationals to spy on each other. Free Trade doesn't look to be so free after all. Are they the terrorist's? Humans survival and well being globally and the planet are of no concern and neither is sovereignty or national interest. The multinational TBTF using the NSA and the spooks for industrial espionage with Silicon Valley giants supplying the means to cast their nets is not protecting us or anyone globally from terrorism.

        Seems to be cracks developing in their inevitable global NWO. Strange days when national interests are defined by corporations who's only interest is obscene profits for the 1% and unsustainable cancerous growth. People and the planet are simply collateral damage in their race to the top. Disaster capitalism in action.

        The catapulted fear and propaganda coming from our government and the 'free press' rings hollow. The state department keeps saying lives will be lost as they kill everything living and set the world on fire under the guise of US 'foriegn policy'. Can't wait to see what happens once the TPP is implemented and our 'sovereignty' and laws, what's left of them, become void and irrelevant.

        Total Awareness to stop 'terrist's who are going to kill yer family' with bombs in their underwear. right. Let's hope GG is right and that courage is contagious.

        I'm going to a 'Restore the 4th Protest' on the 4th of July. It's in cities round the country.

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