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  •  Kerry's placating words ring hollow (3+ / 0-)
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    against the words of the leaders of the leaders of several major European countries and the EU.  The conference for the trade agreement begins one week from today.  Let's see what time brings.

    (And -- you're joking, right, LD?)

    •  Yeah that was a very (5+ / 0-)

      sarcastic 'but'.

      I have no idea how Kerry thought such a statement would help things.

      Makes me sick that everything is always in the name of 'security'. Totally over that line from Republicans, dont need it from Dems.

      •  European & EU leaders share your view (7+ / 0-)

        The Guardian has just published an article summarizing the reactions of leaders of European nations and the EU to last week's disclosures.  The article contains phrases like "a sense of naked outrage swept across Europe'.

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

        The leaders of Germany and France have rounded angrily on the US for the first time over spying claims, signalling that ambitious EU-US trade talks scheduled to open next week could become an early casualty of the burgeoning transatlantic espionage dispute.

        The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and French president, François Hollande, described the disclosures of massive US spying and snooping in Europe as unacceptable, with the Germans suggesting there had to be mutual trust if the trade talks were to go ahead in Washington on Monday.

        Merkel delivered her severest warning yet on the National Security Agency debacle. "We are no longer in the cold war," her spokesman, Steffen Seibert, said. "If it is confirmed that diplomatic representations of the European Union and individual European countries have been spied upon, we will clearly say that bugging friends is unacceptable."

        [...]

        [Outrage also expressed by France's Hollande, EU leaders from various countries/parties, Luexembourg, Austria]

        A sense of naked outrage gathered momentum across Europe at the reports that US agencies were bugging and tapping EU offices in Washington and New York, as well as the embassies of several EU member states. The push for clear answers from the Americans threatened to derail long-awaited talks on a transatlantic free trade pact between the US and the EU to create the world's biggest free-trade area.

        "Washington is shooting itself in the foot," said Germany's conservative Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper. "Declaring the EU offices to be a legitimate attack target is more than the unfriendly act of a machine that knows no bounds and may be out of the control of politics and the courts."

        [EU leader Schulz is quoted --]

        "On the other hand, with this affair or not, the United States of America and Europeans remain … strategic allies. Therefore it is shocking that the United States take measures against their most important and nearest allies, comparable to measures taken in the past by the KGB, by the secret service of the Soviet Union."

        [...]

        "The Americans justify everything with combatting terrorism," said the Luxembourg foreign minister, Jean Asselborn, who on Sunday described the latest allegations as disgusting. "The EU and its diplomats are not terrorists."

        [...]

        The final sentence of the article:]

        France's justice minister, Christiane Taubira, said, if confirmed, the US behaviour was of unspeakable hostility.

    •  How could they do otherwise? (5+ / 0-)

      There are no words that wouldn't ring hollow except perhaps:  we were wrong. here are the concrete ways we're going to change it.

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:57:18 AM PDT

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      •  The trade-treaty conference set for 7/8 in DC (6+ / 0-)

        Kinda thinkin' it would be kinda cool if all EU/Europe participants called in the night before with the flu.  'Sorry about the late notice.  Yeah, I know, all that catering will go to waste.  And all your security preparations -- well, see, that might be part of the reason I can't stop puking.  Just fax the documents to my assistant, would you?'

        Or if they all came, but then switched hotels and engaged in some Code Pink-type political theater.  Like gathering on the Mall to pull the cards from their cell phones and crush them (phones & cells) underfoot.  Like wearing signs around their necks saying 'Can't talk, due to US spying'.  Like responding to every question in the talks with 'Would love to talk about it if I weren't being spied on' (this would be especially nice if all reps would answer this in unison, no matter who had been spoken to).

        Or just do the extremely cool European slow-clap, slow-stomp, chanting 'NSA/KGB' from the beginning to the end of each session.

        The creative possibilities are endless.

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