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  •  OK, good luck with that! (1+ / 0-)
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    sagesource

    Of course, based on Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine hypothesis - this will merely be a good opportunity for the Powers-that-Be to make things even worse overall . .. ..

    To me a much more sensible strategy would be to let the courts/voters deal with the corruption.

    And if there is a workers' strike, that should be towards a specific endpoint that is clearly defined and can resonate with most people out there (e.g., to get a raise after 4 plus years of no raises and/or reverse health care benefit cuts (etc) ).

    •  I know that's where you're coming from because (1+ / 0-)
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      you still believe the system is not broken.  The political system and process is a sham, and the judicial system has been corrupted (two-tiered system) to the core; that's where I'm coming from.

      But your view is shared by maybe 70 to 80 percent of the population, so you are not in the minority.

      One of us is closest to having a real understanding of what's happening.

      •  It's touching how you think.... (0+ / 0-)

        .....that further breaking the already broken will have any effect other than sinking us deeper into disaster. What comes out of that sort of collapse is usually a "strong" right-wing government, a real fascism rather that the pretend-fascism you scare yourself with.

        Frankly, I think you're either too indolent or too impatient to solve problems gradually. Instead, you prefer to sit around fantasizing global revolution from a transit strike. Live in hope, die in despair.

        "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

        by sagesource on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 05:52:59 PM PDT

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        •  That's absurd. Either way, this type of debate (0+ / 0-)

          between people like you and me is an eternal debate that happens in every era, in every generation.

          There will always be those who for whatever reason, be it fear, self-interest, collusion, willful ignorance, will always defend the status quo, even in the face of rampant corruption and criminality by the ruling class--as long as they are not affected directly.

          There will always be those who will speak truth to power regardless of the consequences, driven by a deep sense of justice, empathy, ethics, and morality.

          You call me indolent, and impatient, and almost reflexively attack any talk of uprising against the system, and instead advocate for resolving problems gradually...

          In the face of what's happening, I would say that you are either complicit (and always react that way because of a hidden agenda), willfully ignorant, or delusional, if you think the system is not broken.

          The tinder (for uprising) is very dry and hot (to the extreme).  If you refuse to see that, I would then argue that it is you that's living in fantasy land.

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