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  •  Curiouser and curiouser (2+ / 0-)
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    From the Guardian another possibility, do the Russians want to swap him ...... rather difficult indeed.

    Just before Putin made his comments, one of his top aides said that US-Russia attempts to find possible solutions to the conflict around Snowden were rather difficult.

    "Of course [Putin and Obama] don't have a decision that would suit both sides, so they have ordered FSB director [Alexander] Bortnikov and FBI director [Robert] Mueller to be in constant contact and find possible solutions," Nikolai Patrushev, head of Russia's security council and a former head of the FSB, told state-run Vesti television.

    "We must also stress that the task they have is rather difficult, because they must find a solution within the framework of international law. We can't directly say today that such norms exist, or that there's a ready recipe," he said.

    Since Putin first acknowledged Snowden's arrival in Moscow, officials have repeatedly noted the absence of a bilateral extradition treaty. Russia has often expressed concern over its citizens held in the US, namely Viktor Bout, a convicted arms trafficker with suspected ties to Kremlin officials.

    Thanks Deep Harm for not writing another Snowden rox/sux tirade.  I wonder how the brouhaha in Europe over NSA's industrial spying is going to affect this. One thing for sure Snowden, who I believe did a courageous thing, sure picked up a rock that sent the creepy crawlies scrambling for cover.

    I find those who slamming and sliming of all the countries involved human rights records absurd when the US spooks and 'foreign policy' are building a security surveillance state that put's the Stasi's to shame. All for spooks total awareness data files and profiling the pre-crimanals globally for their neocon neoliberal corporate Brave New world.

    They need to know who to drone bomb, indefinitely detain or put on their hit list.  Everyone everywhere is our enemy including the world's and our country's inherent civil and human rights. No fan of Putin or the KGB but can't say that Brennan or Daddy Bush of the CIA is any better. Pretty pathetic that it always comes down to the better evil is our side.        

    •  "surveillance state that put's the Stasi to shame" (1+ / 0-)
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      This just shows that you haven't a clue as to what the Stasi was and what it did and the impact on the average citizen.  

      The sequester is the new Republican immigration reform plan. Make things so bad here in the US that no one will want to live here.

      by Mote Dai on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 11:57:11 AM PDT

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      •  What 'it did' is not what (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm talking about. I am talking about the actual program in place and implemented by NSA. The magnitude of this secret surveillance program by our spooks. Combined with this 'beyond Orwellian) secret awareness program is the loss of civil and human rights, like indefinite detention now legal and secret courts, laws and warrants. All of this is being done under the guise of the bogus GWOT. That is chilling for the impact it can, does and will have have on the average citizen. Saying our evil is not as bad as the Stasi's is pretty lame as far as rationalizing the monster that NSA has built and is implementing 'to protect' us.

        Here's an Stasi agent on this program  

         “You know, for us, this would have been a dream come true,” he said, recalling the days when he was a lieutenant colonel in the defunct communist country’s secret police, the Stasi.

        In those days, his department was limited to tapping 40 phones at a time, he recalled. Decide to spy on a new victim and an old one had to be dropped, because of a lack of equipment. He finds breathtaking the idea that the U.S. government receives daily reports on the cellphone usage of millions of Americans and can monitor the Internet traffic of millions more.

        “So much information, on so many people,” he said.

        •  scope vs impact (0+ / 0-)

          The impact of the Stasi program on the lives of the everyday citizen was way, way worse.  And I still think their tactics were much worse and more insidious.  These sort of hyperbolic statements get thrown around so much here with such ease.

          The sequester is the new Republican immigration reform plan. Make things so bad here in the US that no one will want to live here.

          by Mote Dai on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 03:14:38 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, the EU reaction(s) will be interesting. (1+ / 0-)
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      There is only so much mileage that can be squeezed out of the "Everybody does it"  trope.

      "The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." -Patrick Henry

      by MackInTheBox on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 01:02:06 PM PDT

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      •  or we're not as bad or evil... (1+ / 0-)
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        as -------- (fill in the blank). Comparisons on the degrees of totalitarianism between global and geopolitical players reflects our country's politics at this point. The better of two evils or 'victories for compromise' with the even more evil. Regardless ordinary people are screwed globally. As the choice is false. No reason for any of this other then 'The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism'. If your Pussy Riot or Bradly Manning it matters little which evil has canceled your rights human and civil.        

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