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  •  I am glad I'm among good company (27+ / 0-)

    Except that I'm a current events junkie...look, there's a tropical storm!...thus, reasonably well informed, I'm somewhat of an everyman, so it's taken a bit to come around to this realization. It's a bit overwhelming.

    In a week I'm headed up to VA for a family wedding. I aheva VERY large extended family, but none seem inclined to care about this stuff or think deeply about it, or at least are private with their opinions. And these are bright, successful people and some are leaders in their fields. It is disturbing.

    May the Conservative Supremes share Paula Dean's culinary tastes as much as they share her cultural ones.

    by pajoly on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 04:18:54 PM PDT

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    •  This is too much for most people (17+ / 0-)

      To "go there" and think about the controllers and the controlled, to consider that all information is available to corporate structures (excuse me, persons) who have a long history of lying and cheating to earn more money and control, is to admit that everything is out of your control and you are living in the midst of a continuous series of lies. Admit that and you have to question everything you know and assume.

      Very few people are willing to make that mental jump. They want it all to be good. It's too terrifying otherwise.

      •  like climate change, it's too big. (10+ / 0-)

        I'll admit to  a sense of being overwhelmed from time to time.
        Both this massive web and the myriad faces of climate change are so big, so complex, so interwoven, leading to so many avenues of thought that there is a real urge to just push it all away.
        Then I find myself mulling yet another ramification while weeding the peas, and I'm back up to my neck in it, trying to see connections, etc.

        I think it's the fact that both of these issues are critically important to the progress of humankind that forces me to keep at it. I can definitely see why many do not.

        Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

        by kamarvt on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 04:50:56 AM PDT

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      •  Yet, the solution is as easy as turning on the (3+ / 0-)
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        This simply cannot continue with the lights on.

        Just imagine if J. Edgar Hoover married a turbo-charged Google database and had half the Pentagon budget.

        Then imagine you could buy off the top media who want to say "boo" about what you do.

        Okay, then try to imagine how this would work when everyone knows what is going on.

        The jig is up!


        Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

        by Einsteinia on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 09:16:03 AM PDT

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    •  I'd be tempted to tell people there that there was (2+ / 0-)
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      a 'book' on them and their lives, check out this from today's Democracy Now!

      AMY GOODMAN: Malte Spitz, if you could talk about your own quite remarkable story, about how you got the metadata on you?
      MALTE SPITZ: Yeah. I started a lawsuit against the Deutsche Telekom, which is the largest phone company here in Germany, around four years ago, and I asked them that they should hand me over all the information they have stored on me. And at the beginning, they only wanted to hand me over just regular informations like my address and something like this. But I said that they also have to store all this so-called metadata. And so I started a suit against them to get handed out all this metadata they have stored about me. And at the end, it was six months of—with around 35,000 informations. So the Deutsche Telekom knew 35,000 times where I was, what I did and who I called and who I sent text messages. And after a while, I decided to publish all this information, because it was important for me to show the public that even if you only have so-called metadata, it only—it is also showing a really large part of your social life, because you can—
      AMY GOODMAN: So, Kristinn Hrafnsson, here you have this situation of metadata showing so much, and what Malte is showing us is they were doing this without the NSA, right? This was the German telecom that has all this information. What makes these NSA revelations so significant? You’re—you’ve now left being an investigative journalist in Iceland, and you go back and forth between Reykjavík and London. You work full-time for WikiLeaks. Why are these revelations that WikiLeaks has helped to reveal, or at least is now helping Edward Snowden, the whistleblower from—that worked with the NSA—why are they so significant?

      Well, they are so significant because this is the kind of data we are now seeing, as mapped out for one individual, and they are being collected for millions of people, and not only the data from the telephone companies handed over, as Snowden revealed in his first leak, but also data on Internet, the email use, which also give you a location, because it’s linked to an IP address, which gives out a location, and who is where sending a message to whom. So, by putting this information together, you can, just by that metadata, so-called, get a very detailed picture of the life of an individual, without actually going into listening in the conversation or reading the messages. However, it has been said by experts and is known that it’s very hard to distinguish the actual metadata on emails, for example, and the actual messages. And it has been revealed that they have confirmed that they did not intentionally collect the content, but it’s there. And with the revelation we have now, who would trust the NSA for not looking into that?

      without the ants the rainforest dies

      by aliasalias on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 12:27:22 PM PDT

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