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  •  Not a good thing compared to what? (4+ / 0-)

    Morsi and company are not exactly angels here.

    •  I think you have identified the issue. (1+ / 0-)
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      He who would trade liberty for security deserves great customer service.

      by Publius2008 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 03:24:59 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, it was easy when Mubarak was in charge. (2+ / 0-)
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      Now, I don't know what to think.  Was Morsi elected?  Yes.  Was he fairly elected?  Eh, probably.  But yet I am deeply sympathetic of the protestors because it is clear that Morsi does not understand the basic concept that a national leader is a leader of the nation; he has become a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood.

      I'm troubled all the way around.  What's the long game here?  The Arab world has a long and ignominious history of direct military rule.  Will the military elites, once they take power, say "fuck it, this democracy thing won't work in the Arab world?"  Because that's a lot of what you hear - I recall reading a diary here that linked to a translation of an Egyptian newspaper column (we're at triple or quadruple hearsay here) that essentially said, "Egypt is not ready for democracy."  I'm too idealistic, I don't believe that there is any country that is not "ready" for democracy.  But... things are pretty fucked up on this go around.  They got the democracy part right, but that only works when all citizens' rights are protected, not just the majority or the best-organized.

      "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

      by auron renouille on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 03:57:47 PM PDT

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      •  You know they used to say latin america was (2+ / 0-)
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        not ready for democracy.  It was all horseshit though.  The problem with Egypt is that the economy sucks.  The people know full well what democracy is and all that.  It's just that the currency has tanked so hard that a lot of them are looking at the military to fix it.

        Democracy worries markets and there has been a vast flight of capital from Egypt since Mubarak was overthrown.  This has also affected tourism which provides for a lot of jobs in Egypt.  

        Egypt is suffering its worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, a former finance minister of the country and one of its leading economists have warned.

        In terms of its devastating effect on Egypt's poorest, the country's current economic predicament is at its most dire since the 1930s, Galal Amin, professor of economics at the American University in Cairo, and Samir Radwan, finance minister in the months after Egypt's 2011 uprising, said in separate interviews with the Guardian.

        Since the fall of Hosni Mubarak in 2011, Egypt has experienced a drastic fall in both foreign investment and tourism revenues, followed by a 60% drop in foreign exchange reserves, a 3% drop in growth, and a rapid devaluation of the Egyptian pound. All this has led to mushrooming food prices, ballooning unemployment and a shortage of fuel and cooking gas – causing Egypt's worst crisis, said Amin, "without fear of making a mistake, since the 30s".

        It seems to me that no matter what party gained power through the ballot that this would of happened.  It would have been preferable that the military didn't throw down an ultimatium to end democracy and remained loyal to the civilian government.  Even if that government is composed of people that we don't like or trust.

        In a few years another election would of taken place and perhaps a new government would replace this one.  Doing a coup, even if a large portion of the population endorse it, is simply retarding Egyptian society in the hopes that foreign capital will flow back into the country like it did during Mubarak's military dictatorship.

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