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  •  Then you are taking the position (0+ / 0-)

    that the one branch of government with no explicit authority under the Constitution is the one branch not subject to removal from power for violating it.  That's a very extreme interpretation - far more extreme than simply asserting that courts are subject to the laws they interpret rather than being arbitrary "lawgivers" in the Roman sense.

    And while I agree that a three-branch government under the Constitution would be a departure from the current paradigm, look at the results of the status quo: Eight years of Bush and all the horrors that flowed from that, air-tight GOP gerrymandering, Republican legislative majorities existing despite losing the popular vote, ALEC legislation sweeping the country, Citizens United legalizing corruption, and now clearing the way for Jim Crow 2.0.  At what point do you say "Enough!"  You can't elect change if you can't vote or your vote is overturned.  You can't legislate change if your reform bills are arbitrarily struck down.  You can't Amend the Constitution meaningfully if they just ignore it.

    Sign the petition to demand a law-abiding Supreme Court.

    by Troubadour on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:48:21 PM PDT

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    •  Again, we disagree on premises. (3+ / 0-)
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      You see a constitutional violation. I don't.

      You think the only answer to the horrors wrought by the Bush years is impeachment, although you have no clear vision of how you would achieve it. I don't.

      You seem to think that because one approach has failed, the only other approach you can think of must be a better idea. I don't.

      But let's pretend you're right. Tell me: And then what? You know my view -- the other four would resign instantly. (They wouldn't have a quorum anyway.)

      So -- then what? Just what do you think the collateral effects of impeachment and removal for the content of decisions would be?

      These diaries are beginning to remind me of that classic Sidney Harris cartoon of the mathematicians at the blackboard, where the middle of the proof is "and then a miracle occurs." I think you should be more explicit here in Step Two.

      •  The other four would not resign. (0+ / 0-)

        They would sigh in relief.  If you read their rulings, you know they see the lawlessness in the majority up close and personal.

        And if you think there would be radically negative consequences for removing judges for lawless rulings, why the hell would there be no such negative consequences for removing Presidents for lawless military orders?  Issuing military orders is part of the job of a President, isn't it?

        And BTW, not all five have to be convicted to achieve positive results.  In fact, none do.  It would be a flexing of the public muscle to assert constitutional authority over courts.  But if any were removed, the next step would obviously be appointing new ones, which have no more and no less of a problem getting passed than if they left the court voluntarily.

        And in fact, it's entirely possible if subsequent revelations showed new information from investigation, that one or more might in fact choose to resign under pressure from their own side.

        The repetitiousness of these objections even in the face of being fully addressed is just getting silly and obtuse.  Just because you repeat something that's not true and has been discredited does not make it credible.

        Sign the petition to demand a law-abiding Supreme Court.

        by Troubadour on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 09:03:08 AM PDT

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    •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

      "one branch of government with no explicit authority under the Constitution "

      Care to explain?

      •  The role of the courts in deciding the (0+ / 0-)

        constitutionality of laws evolved over time, it isn't explicitly encoded in the Constitution.  Whereas the role of Congress in enforcing the 15th Amendment is absolute and explicit.

        Sign the petition to demand a law-abiding Supreme Court.

        by Troubadour on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 09:04:12 AM PDT

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    •  man (0+ / 0-)

      you really have your anger misplaced. All you decry above is totally and absolutely legal. 8 years of Bush? The current NSA deal is an Obama policy. Yes, you can have legislative bodies that win one party when the national vote is not for that party's president. Amazing.

      So I guess you think over turning DOMA was an awful terrible thing too?

       I just don't see your point?

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