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  •  Muslim brotherhood party is dead (3+ / 0-)
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    Muslim brotherhood party is dead - in a matter of months.

    A democracy is more than an election

    The seven deadly sins of the Muslim Brotherhood

    One of the biggest casualties of yesterday’s events in Egypt is US Ambassador, Anne Patterson. For months now, she has been insisting on a slanted reading of the political scene in Egypt, constantly letting the Muslim Brotherhood off the hook (in a bizarre move last week, she even visited Khayrat El-Shater, the strong man of the MB in his personal office), and giving erroneous accounts to John Kerry about the opposition to President Morsi.
     
     The biggest casualty, however, has to be Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood, who have insisted on a disastrous reading of the political map after the revolution and succeeded in fooling Patterson (and many other western diplomats and journalists) of their delusional views.
    •  They still have some popular support. (4+ / 0-)

      A coup, which this essentially is, might force them underground and into armed struggle.  Lots of possibilities here.

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      by TomP on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 11:10:11 AM PDT

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      •  yes for sure, some popular support, but (0+ / 0-)

        a dramatic failure in so short a time

        believed that change was an election

        since fist time in thousands of years of history to elect a leader

        but.. drank the cool aid

        the article above by chair of history in American University in Cairo points out how the American Ambassador was involved in the story

        she probably gave assurances that the US would support the Muslim Brotherhood and didn't warn them against autocratic rule

        but, why would the government of the US object to autocratic rule?

        they are perfecting the mechanisms here at home to be ready for the possibility of big things like eco terroristism on KXL

        •  It may get very violent. (4+ / 0-)
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          Backers of President Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood have also been out on the streets, gathering outside the Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque in Cairo's Nasr district.

          The Brotherhood's political group, the Freedom and Justice Party (FJP), is part of the alliance of Islamist parties calling on Egyptians to "go and defend their democracy and their right for freedom," according to spokesperson Murad Ali.

          One senior FJP official, Mohammed al-Beltagi, took to the party's Facebook page on Tuesday to say that "preventing this coup may call for martyrdom".

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          by TomP on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 11:21:08 AM PDT

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          •  yes - could lead to a civil war (1+ / 0-)
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            when I was at NN13, bought a book from the author selling them on a table on the sidewalk near Trader Joe's

            he is an algerian and his novel describes what it was like under the French and then the muslim dictators

            torture

            destruction

            terrible

            he is a a berber - a tribe that ruled northern Africa for 10,000 years and have been invaded many times

            the muslim brotherhood didn't get the right message from the movement that overthrew the dictatorship

            could it be that dialogue is radical?

    •  I would hate for them to "go underground" (3+ / 0-)
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      Nothing good could come from that.

      Clearly they over-reached, but they do represent a large faction of political expression that should be "at the table." Just not the entire table.

       I would hope that the Military can impose some transition where some arbitrary, short term distribution of power to the identified factions can be in place. It may take a decade, probably more of such "artificial power sharing" and I hope the Military and the greater community of nations can suffer the inevitable dissent during that period,

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 11:15:52 AM PDT

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      •  I think that if you want to understand why (1+ / 0-)
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        the Muslim Brotherhood is such an abject failure, you have to go back to the roots of the movement that ousted Mubarak.  

        Egyptians were not protesting for a more Islamist regime.  They were protesting for more democracy and opportunity.

        Even if the elections were completely legitimate and the Muslim Brotherhood won fair and square, they made the mistake of forgetting about all of the people and their powerfully committed movement who were simply demanding freedom and democracy from Mubarak.  

        Trying to turn Egypt into a more religious nation is antithetical to the call for democracy and freedom.

        •  Most of us understand what happened (0+ / 0-)

          That didn't make it preventable.

          The MB and other Islamists are not going to just melt away and focus on Mosque and home: they have an organizational advantage and they intend to use it. They are not into balancing interests: like our American Taliban, they probably feel compelled to impose their vision of Allah's  Kingdom on Earth on everyone, for their own good.

          I know from my experience (both here in DKos and ongoing community engagement) that not all religiously driven people are absolutists, but those who are relativists tend to defer to the strident until shit hits the fan. I sincerely hope that the Islamists are tempered in the coming "rebooting" of Egyptian governance transition, but I'm resigned to that tempering being imposed rather than rationally agreed to for the near term. It's my hope that the relativists are active in insisting on some rough pluralism even as their more strident brethren continue to resist anything less than the ideal Islamic state...whatever that is.

          When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

          by Egalitare on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 12:53:42 PM PDT

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          •  The point of my comment is more about (0+ / 0-)

            where do they go from here than it is about what happened.

            The leadership that understands that the root of the conflict rests in questions of freedom and opportunity rather than in religion (of whatever ilk) is the leadership that has a chance of thriving and pleasing the most people in the population.

            If the military takes Egypt towards freedom and opportunity, they will be viewed as heroes eventually as Ataturk was in Turkey.

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