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  •  Another line of argument I don't understand (4+ / 0-)
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    "This is not a situation where we're back in the '80s where there was this push for welfare reform because people were perceived to be gaming the system,"
    So because there are people gaming the system, we eliminate the system?

    Federal Contractors are gaming the system, shall we return to the public sector ?

    and it's not like political gerrymandering isn't gaming the system hmmmmmmmmmm??????? Shall we eliminate politicians?

    No let's look at the problem with welfare payments and deal with the unqualified people receiving the benefits rather than throwing everything out the door. We have a large % of our population that are homeless and or food insecure. As the boomers age, this problem will worsen.

    -7.5 -7.28, A carrot is as close as a rabbit gets to a diamond.-Don Van Vliet

    by Blueslide on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 02:00:57 PM PDT

    •  Argument by anecdote (0+ / 0-)

      1) The fact that someone is gaming a system makes it imperfect, not necessarily bad.  To show a system is bad requires showing that there is significant gaming going on.

      2) Even if a system is is being signficantly gamed, that doesn't mean the program is bad.  Someone came down on the free meals at school programs because someone reported that the parent of the free-lunch kids all had big-screen TVs.  For the sake of argument let's assume that's true and that these kids have parents who would rather by play toys than properly feed their kids.  Without the free meals, the likely outcome would be poorly fed children who would also probably end up underachieving at school and not being able to help society out by becoming more valuable members.  


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      by KingBolete on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 02:18:18 PM PDT

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