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  •  We do? You could have fooled me. (25+ / 0-)

    When did the boards of Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Standard & Poor's and Moody's get put in prison? What was their sentence?

    Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 01:41:41 PM PDT

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    •  I understand this is frustrating (2+ / 0-)
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      but these are not analogous legal situations. I don't get to commit crimes because I feel GW Bush was a criminal.

      Money doesn't talk it swears.

      by Coss on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 03:06:07 PM PDT

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      •  You said we have a justice system. (14+ / 0-)

        We don't.
        And your comment, logically applied to the current situation, means that George W. Bush can commit crimes and you can't.

        Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 03:21:23 PM PDT

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        •  That's an opinion about society (2+ / 0-)
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          Not a factual statement that justifies accused criminals fleeing the law.

          I'm saying I feel that Bush committed crimes. That doesn't give me the authority  to do whatever I want. Yes, that we'd be nice but we can't operate as a society that way.

          Money doesn't talk it swears.

          by Coss on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 04:17:19 PM PDT

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          •  We can't operate as a society when (1+ / 0-)
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            we are governed in secret either.  As far as I'm concerned, the government is violating the social contract by keeping information from the American people that we need to know to govern ourselves.  You can't have a social contact without consent and if you don't have the information you need for informed consent how can you still have a social contract?

      •  Like Edward Snowden can commit a crime (13+ / 0-)

        of civil disobedience and be pursued around the globe, while Lloyd Blankfein can rip the American people off for 1 trillion and get given legal immunity for having done it.

        Like Aaaron Swartz can break a law by violating a paywall and get threatened with 30 years and driven to his death, while the people who park billions in the Cayman Islands get a pat on the back.

        Like the guy who commits torture walks free and has a great life, and the guy who blew the whistle on him is sitting in a PA prison.

        Like the guy who chalks Corbett's house gets arrested, but the guy who shot Scott Olsen doesn't.

        Look, you seem nice, and it's not personal, but I'm not feeling too happy with our "justice system." Looks just about like what I'd expect the defender of Chiquita Banana to create. A nice third-world justice department.

        Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 03:27:14 PM PDT

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      •  No one said you get to commit crimes. (10+ / 0-)

        What people take issue with is this claim:

        We have a system of justice in this countty (2+ / 0-)
        You don't get to simply ignore it because you're a Rand Paul wannabee.
        We don't really have a system of justice. We have a two tiered legal system that has nothing to do with justice. And you can tell people that this means that this means it's wrong to commit crimes, but it's hard to believe that when we can all see the breadth and depth of the crimes that the powerful get away with. If we're all equal here then why should some be subject to the rules and not others?

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 03:35:38 PM PDT

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        •  So George Zimmerman (2+ / 0-)
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          Can just state that there is no justice and he can't get a fair trial and you'd accept that and defend his fleeing the country?

          We have mechanisms in place for this. You sound like the pro torture people who claim we can't trust the courts and need gitmo instead.

          Why should Snowden not be subject to any of our laws?!

          Money doesn't talk it swears.

          by Coss on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 04:14:12 PM PDT

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          •  Again, I'm not saying that you get to commit (5+ / 0-)

            crimes. I'm saying that we don't have a justice system and as such we shouldn't be surprised that people don't take the law seriously. If the government wants people to have a commitment to following the law then they should apply it equally. Barring that people are going to feel no compulsion to follow the law other than morality. Social compulsion is a large part of the rule of law, and this country has abandoned that.

            So George Zimmerman (0+ / 0-)
            Can just state that there is no justice and he can't get a fair trial and you'd accept that and defend his fleeing the country?
            Well, he isn't going to get a fair trial. He's more likely to get acquitted than if he had killed a white person.
            We have mechanisms in place for this. You sound like the pro torture people who claim we can't trust the courts and need gitmo instead.
            We don't have mechanisms in place for whistle blowers, unless you mean that we lock them up for espionage and throw them in solitary. I mean, there were numerous people who tried to alert the public and were ignored. You are ignoring the facts of the matter. Our justice system is not equal. It certainly never has been, but it is much less equal now in regards to the rich and powerful.
            Why should Snowden not be subject to any of our laws?!
            Why shouldn't the government be subject to the constitution?

            If you want the rule of law then work for the rule of law, don't give me this crap about Snowden needing to be a martyr. He released the information, that's the important thing to me. Everything else is stupid legal wrangling and unimportant in regards to the information released.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 04:29:52 PM PDT

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